Middle East Conflict

I think I see your point re:Biden, but his hands were not "tied". He had options and chose not to utilise them because of his self-admittance of being an "out and out zionist" stated many years ago and non-action merely underlines this.

This is why Netanyahu has obliterated every "red line" the US has set, calling their bluff and showing the current US gov to be toothless on the world stage when it comes to its allies.

Or I should say where Israel is, strategically in the Middle East.

The rest I, very much, agree with.
Biden is a fuckin Monster, When his Presidency is looked back on he should be remembered for the Billions of Dollars of Missiles he sent to Israel to slaughter innocent folk. That's his Legacy complicit in Mass Murder.
 
Biden is a fuckin Monster, When his Presidency is looked back on he should be remembered for the Billions of Dollars of Missiles he sent to Israel to slaughter innocent folk. That's his Legacy complicit in Mass Murder.
I think his (the republicans) hands are tied until after the election such is the influence of the Israel lobby in US politics. After the election (unless trump wins) I suspect the US will take a much firmer stance with Israel - probably why netanyahu is in such a hurry to get the atrocities done and ideally entrench the us in a conflict with Iran before then.
 
We are the dog to the genocidal state master. Our politic and media are controlled by Zionists. This conflict has shown the true power and control of the Zionists. Same for Germany France. We will watch live genocide but our media and paid politicians will only come out and condemn some fireworks aimed in the direction of the real terrorist state.
I think you're on the edge of what's acceptable. I think you'd like to say "controlled by Jews" but fear the accusation of antisemitism. It's not easy - the IHRC definition and examples of antisemitism tread a fine line of distinction between Israel's policies and Jews, but then the distinction is blurred by Israelis themselves so any criticism of Israel is decried as antisemitism.

Zionists living abroad is itself a self-contradiction. Zionism was (is still?) a call to all Jews to move to the Jewish state. Now that most Israelis are not immigrants but descendants of immigrants, how many still identify as Zionists?

Half of Israeli Jews are non-religious (Hiloni) which means they may be sceptical about the extent of Eretz Israel historically. Half of Israeli Jews think Arab Israelis should be expelled from Israel (not necessarily the same half or the other half).

Some of this goes back to the first half of the last century and what the Zionists thought should happen to the "indigenous" Arab population in the proposed Jewish State. That seems to vary from a rather racist assumption that lazy Arabs would be happy to benefit from the ingenuity and hard work of Jews to a realisation that usurping their land would not be an easy thing.

Anyway, that was really just personal musing as a preamble to sharing this article, a year on from October 7. It's useful, but is rather silent about conditions in Gaza and the West Bank prior to October 7.

 
I think you're on the edge of what's acceptable. I think you'd like to say "controlled by Jews" but fear the accusation of antisemitism. It's not easy - the IHRC definition and examples of antisemitism tread a fine line of distinction between Israel's policies and Jews, but then the distinction is blurred by Israelis themselves so any criticism of Israel is decried as antisemitism.

Zionists living abroad is itself a self-contradiction. Zionism was (is still?) a call to all Jews to move to the Jewish state. Now that most Israelis are not immigrants but descendants of immigrants, how many still identify as Zionists?

Half of Israeli Jews are non-religious (Hiloni) which means they may be sceptical about the extent of Eretz Israel historically. Half of Israeli Jews think Arab Israelis should be expelled from Israel (not necessarily the same half or the other half).

Some of this goes back to the first half of the last century and what the Zionists thought should happen to the "indigenous" Arab population in the proposed Jewish State. That seems to vary from a rather racist assumption that lazy Arabs would be happy to benefit from the ingenuity and hard work of Jews to a realisation that usurping their land would not be an easy thing.

Anyway, that was really just personal musing as a preamble to sharing this article, a year on from October 7. It's useful, but is rather silent about conditions in Gaza and the West Bank prior to October 7.

His post uses language straight from the Protocols.
 
I think you're on the edge of what's acceptable. I think you'd like to say "controlled by Jews" but fear the accusation of antisemitism. It's not easy - the IHRC definition and examples of antisemitism tread a fine line of distinction between Israel's policies and Jews, but then the distinction is blurred by Israelis themselves so any criticism of Israel is decried as antisemitism.

Zionists living abroad is itself a self-contradiction. Zionism was (is still?) a call to all Jews to move to the Jewish state. Now that most Israelis are not immigrants but descendants of immigrants, how many still identify as Zionists?

Half of Israeli Jews are non-religious (Hiloni) which means they may be sceptical about the extent of Eretz Israel historically. Half of Israeli Jews think Arab Israelis should be expelled from Israel (not necessarily the same half or the other half).

Some of this goes back to the first half of the last century and what the Zionists thought should happen to the "indigenous" Arab population in the proposed Jewish State. That seems to vary from a rather racist assumption that lazy Arabs would be happy to benefit from the ingenuity and hard work of Jews to a realisation that usurping their land would not be an easy thing.

Anyway, that was really just personal musing as a preamble to sharing this article, a year on from October 7. It's useful, but is rather silent about conditions in Gaza and the West Bank prior to October 7.


Just a point to note: people shouldn't conflate Judaism with Zionists. There are more Christian based faiths [in Gov] that are zionists than people think.

And the "Half of Israeli Jews" that "think Arab Israelis should be expelled from Israel" are antisemetic.

It's strange that the irony is lost on them.
 
I don't think any of us including mr anorak will ever know the truth. The first reports were that nothing got through and gradually more official and unofficial footage of destruction caused by Iranian missiles is leaking out. There are good tactical reasons for Israel to claim the Iranian weapons were ineffective but clearly they are a threat which cannot be fully contained. It seems a lot of these missile defences strategies can be simply overwhelmed by an amount of missiles - part of the reason the US and Russia maintain nuclear arsenal's capable of destroying the world many times over. Any country claiming to have an impenetrable shield is doing so to manage fear and panic within its own population, demoralise the enemy etc. basically bollocks.
Believe what you fucking want mate.
But if you can HIT a bullet with a bullet YOU KNOW EXACTLY where a balistic missile is going to IMPACT to within CENTIMETRES.
 
Biden is a fuckin Monster, When his Presidency is looked back on he should be remembered for the Billions of Dollars of Missiles he sent to Israel to slaughter innocent folk. That's his Legacy complicit in Mass Murder.
And quite happy to let Russia masacre Ukrainian civilians too.
 
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But you can ignore the ones that are going to miss by 25+ metres.
I'm not sure what you mean? Any missile defence system can only cope with so many targets (missiles) at once. If you don't have missiles that are smart or fast enough to pierce the defence then you just overwhelm it with numbers - this seems to be what Iran did.
 
I'm not sure what you mean? Any missile defences system can only cope with so many targets (missiles) at once. If you don't have missiles that are smart or fast enough to pierce the defence then you just overwhelm it with numbers - this seems to be what Iran did.
You don't need to hit the ones that are going to miss by much.
 
You don't need to hit the ones that are going to miss by much.

Depends on what they are targeting.some targets don't need the same level of precision.

Iran probably wouldn't target heavily armoured positions. But they could send enough missiles up to target fuel refineries and other vulnerable strategic infrastructure.
 
But you can ignore the ones that are going to miss by 25+ metres.
I'm not sure what you mean? Any missile defences system can only cope with so many targets (missiles) at once. If you don't have missiles that are smart or fast enough to pierce the defence then you just overwhelm it with numbers - this seems to be what Iran did. If for example the defensive capability can deal with 90 missiles and you need 10 to get through then you fire 100.
 
And quite happy to let Russia masacre Ukrainian civilians too
Isn't he supplying Ukraine weopens to stop Russia invading and stealing land. I know how much you put into your post in the Ukraine thread about the Russians invading, Killing folk and land Grabbing.

Yet you seem to think Israel aren't doing the same.
 
Isn't he supplying Ukraine weopens to stop Russia invading and stealing land. I know how much you put into your post in the Ukraine thread about the Russians invading, Killing folk and land Grabbing.

Yet you seem to think Israel aren't doing the same.
The Russia/ Ukraine thread is bonkers. The decreasing number of brainwashed propagandists in there will either need mental help or will vanish like itk's in the messi thread!
 
The Russia/ Ukraine thread is bonkers. The decreasing number of brainwashed propagandists in there will either need mental help or will vanish like itk's in the messi thread!

I've thought of posting that it'll likely end in a draw and Ukraine will end up ceding terroritory (Crimea, possibly some of Eastern Ukraine).

But the moment you post something that isn't a panglossian view of Ukraine's impending victory you get accused of being a communist and admiring the mad dwarf.
 
I've thought of posting that it'll likely end in a draw and Ukraine will end up ceding terroritory (Crimea, possibly some of Eastern Ukraine).

But the moment you post something that isn't a panglossian view of Ukraine's impending victory you get accused of being a communist and admiring the mad dwarf.
I think anyone who is not an armchair Ukrainian general or propagandist has long since left the thread. Like yourself I've thought a messy stalemate has been the inevitable outcome for ages.
 

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