Middle East Conflict

[Metal Biker]

I want to discuss the options and formulate my own opinion as information comes to light.

You have explained to me and I have freely accepted that the Palestinian terrorist groups have bombs and large rockets that can cause those massive explosions.

I see the IDF have said it isn't their missile as there is no crater. The question I am asking that you may know is, do the IDF have bombs and missiles that could have caused that fireball and damage without a crater? Also as someone else asked yesterday has any Palestinian rocket attack caused such damage previously. All the evidence I've seen so far on the Internet indicates they haven't.

That isn't the issue; the issue was that people claimed this attack was intentionally aimed at the hospital and it's clear it's not. Do you want this to have been an IDF attack? They're adamantly denying it, the 'tweet' that said they did has since been shown to have been a fake one, multiple video footage of the explosion shows the rocket malfunctioned in flight. Now we have images of the hospital car park which is where it hit. Cars burned out due to fire spreading.

Why do you appear to want this to have been an IDF munition?

 

[Metal Biker]

If you look at the car park footage of outside the hospital, I'd say Palestinian firepower is definetly in that ball park.

They have multiple 90kg warheads. That's plenty.

 

[Roachy]

Fucking cunts, fucking animals

Who mate?

 

[The blue phantom]

Israel indiscriminately Carpet bombing and levelling most of Gaza resulting in thousands of deaths of women & Children. Coming out now and saying "Yeh but we didn't do this One" as if it somehow negates the Murdering they are continuing to carry out. Fuckin staggering tbh.

 

[Metal Biker]

I think if an advisor to Netanyahu tweets that they did it, it's fairly reasonable for some people to consider that that might have been the case. But in a climate where disinformation is flying around all over the place it's hard to make sense of anything really.

It was a fake tweet, it wasn't a real source.

 

[The blue phantom]

Who mate?

IDF I should imagine he's saying.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

That isn't the issue; the issue was that this attack was intentionally aimed at the hospital and it's clear it's not. Do you want this to have been an IDF attack? They're adamantly denying it, the 'tweet' that said they did has since been shown to have been a fake one, multiple video footage of the explosion shows the rocket malfunctioned in flight. Now we have images of the hospital car park which is where it hit. Cars burned out due to fire spreading.

Why do you appear to want this to have been an IDF munition?

Either lot could be responsible or a combination of the 2 (shot down missile). It’s irrelevant to me whether the hospital was deliberately targeted or not. Whoever is responsible doesn’t give a shit anyway.

 

[Ducado]

So are we assuming now that 500 people didn't die in the hospital?

No, some people would want that to be the case but not as some humane thing, the figures come from on the ground

The truth is it does not matter, the fact has been created hardly anyone who matters in this conflict believes that Israel is innocent, because they have form for this type of thing they have done it before and followed the exact same script, at the moment they are flooding the zone (terrible phrase) with information, s tactic designed to confuse and shape the narrative but as usual they are clumsy with words, in this conflict PR and Propaganda matter to both sides, it could light up the whole region, Biden better talk some soothing words today because the world will be listening, they want America to use it's influence to stop this madness.

The crazy thing is, Hamas & Iran are benefitting from this, in the battle to be the leader of the Islamic world, Iran have scored a first half hattrick

 

[grunge]

What about the bombing of the evacuation convoy and the school, have the same geo locators identified who carried out those attacks. Serious question as I've heard nothing more since.

If there is video footage of the launching of those attacks then yes they probably have. if there isn't then no, You can only geolocate what you can see.

But you'd have to look at there feed to see. it will be there amongst all the Russia/Ukraine footage where they geolocated where tanks are destroyed or shown to update the war maps of how things are going over there.

these guys have no skin in the game as to who is firing what and why. they just geolocate where things are in videos/images. this rocket came from Gaza so they said it was a pro Palestinian group. for reference they probably shouldn't have said anything past "it came from Gaza"

 

[Postman Pep]

It's important not to rush to judgement and wait till the full facts are in ..... say the people who went all in on stories of mass rape and decapitated babies.
All claims subsequently walked back by the media outlets who regurgitated them.

 

[Roachy]

IDF I should imagine he's saying.

For anything in particular?

 

[Metal Biker]

Either lot could be responsible or a combination of the 2 (shot down missile). It’s irrelevant to me whether the hospital was deliberately targeted or not. Whoever is responsible doesn’t give a shit anyway.

It was very relevant to those wanting to demonise one group over the other. And boy have they.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

I’ve got a friend who also does the volunteer community gardening. I’ve never thought about this before but she lives in a huge complex of flats a mile from me that is for Jewish people only. I assume that this would be acceptable for any racial or religious group in Britain. I don’t care that much but this North Leeds and not the Middle East.

I think it’s important that everyone tries to get on and I’ve got no gripe against this accommodation. I just think it would be a big media issue if this accommodation was for another religious or racial group. I might be wrong though and this sort of accommodation is widespread.

 

[Metal Biker]

It's important not to rush to judgement and wait till the full facts are in ..... say the people who went all in on stories of mass rape and decapitated babies.
All claims subsequently walked back by the media outlets who regurgitated them.

Just like with this hospital attack. Wasn't intentional, as claimed, rocket clearly malfunctioned in flight, hit the car park and set vehicles on fire.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

That isn't the issue; the issue was that people claimed this attack was intentionally aimed at the hospital and it's clear it's not. Do you want this to have been an IDF attack? They're adamantly denying it, the 'tweet' that said they did has since been shown to have been a fake one, multiple video footage of the explosion shows the rocket malfunctioned in flight. Now we have images of the hospital car park which is where it hit. Cars burned out due to fire spreading.

Why do you appear to want this to have been an IDF munition?

I want to know the truth. What's the difference between you pointing out that Hamas or whoever have rockets that do this damage and me asking you if the IDF have rockets that could do the damage. Why the reluctance to debate the issue and only put one side ?

 

[splinter]

Let's face humans like killing Humans it what we do best..it'll only stop when we go extinct. Not long now.
A trip to wetherspoons today on my day off

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

Israel aren't angels, but didn't make sense that they would level an entire hospital last night and proving so today.

In a war anything can happen, I don't see why that doesn't include Israel. But I'm glad it's looking like they didn't do it. And I'm glad Hamas haven't done it in purpose too. That would be really low.

 

[The blue phantom]

For anything in particular?

Probably for levelling most of Gaza with 1000's of deaths.

 

[Metal Biker]

If there is video footage of the launching of those attacks then yes they probably have. if there isn't then no, You can only geolocate what you can see.

But you'd have to look at there feed to see. it will be there amongst all the Russia/Ukraine footage where they geolocated where tanks are destroyed or shown to update the war maps of how things are going over there.

these guys have no skin in the game as to who is firing what and why. they just geolocate where things are in videos/images. this rocket came from Gaza so they said it was a pro Palestinian group. for reference they probably shouldn't have said anything past "it came from Gaza"

With so many cameras, satellites and impartial observers watching the area, footage of such a rocket being fired from Israel would and should have surfaced long before now.

 

[Metal Biker]

I want to know the truth. What's the difference between you pointing out that Hamas or whoever have rockets that do this damage and me asking you if the IDF have rockets that could do the damage. Why the reluctance to debate the issue and only put one side ?

Because it was a lie and the lie was being accepted as a truth without any facts emerging.

Same with the "decapitated babies" stories. I fell for it briefly, as did many others on here, but again, there was little evidence to prove it was true, but by then it was already accepted as "fact" and condemned. Same thing happened here, yet whilst we all rolled back on the babies story, some are reluctant to roll back on the "intentional hospital bombing by IDF" one, even when the same amount of contrary evidence has been provided.