Middle East Conflict

Ducado said:
Did you need this incident to tell you that?

They are just another aspect of the madness that has consumed the region

The Israeli government is the most right wing and the most opposed to any peace settlement and are commiting daily horrors on the west bank are they evil as well?
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No of-course not. I was making a comment about a failed attack that killed hundreds of people. I wasn’t trying to compare. Both sides have obviously done terrible things..

But when one side blows up a hospital most people will usually talk about the side that carried it out
 
west didsblue said:
Of course I agree with that but surely it should be clear to anyone that the optics of having a pro-Palestinian demo literally during the tail end of a massacre perpetrated by Palestinian terrorists aren’t great.
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I’d say the timing was entirely deliberate.

Demonstrations where spontaneous and as you rightly say, at that point, with 1300 murdered Israeli citizens breaking news on our screens it was an utter disgrace.
 
Magicpole said:
....... Depending upon which side of the fence you place yourself, if the proof can be derived, will it change the minds of those who blame Israel? I doubt it. I have been reading this thread and even on here there are posters who seem to have decided what happened without evidence.

This is what I have been doing - been really somewhat disturbing to see how many posters there on a a simple CITY forum that appear so desperate not only not to have their views changed, but to not be hindered in their desire to influence other people's opinions - people who might want to wait for the facts.
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Magicpole said:
It’s a time for seeking the truth. In war, as we all know, truth is the first casualty and people will be swayed by their political views and how they want it to be.

The extent to which some jumped to conclusions was one level of disappointment - but now that it appears that they may have been wrong their next approach is even more disappointing - not any sense of accepting that they were wrong - just statements that Israel deserve to have such false judgements made against them.
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Ducado said:
It's all about controlling the narrative, in the City analogy those against City control the narrative no matter how innocent the club is the narrative has been set, their job is done, once the narrative genie is out of the bottle it's very hard to put back

In this war it's exactly the same, Hamas control the narrative it suits them, it will never be proved conclusively (Forensics are a bit tricky in Gaza at the moment) but as long as the chosen audience believes it the job is done,it's an old tactic but in this information age it's even more powerful

As they say a lie has gone around the world twice before the truth has even got it's socks on
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And if you’re explaining you’re losing.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
No of-course not. I was making a comment about a failed attack that killed hundreds of people. I wasn’t trying to compare. Both sides have obviously done terrible things..

But when one side blows up a hospital most people will usually talk about the side that carried it out
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Just after it happened they WERE talking about it, only when the slow realisation dawned that it could possibly have been the other side did it quieten down and the talk moved onto other things.
 
Palerider said:
It does seem incredibly weird. All religions are right wing, that is what they are, ultra conservative. But at the risk of being called racist, the most far right religion by far is Islam. That the left have 'jumped into bed' with a far right organisation just beggars belief.
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I'm not leftwing by any stretch, but the analysis here is simple... People on the left view every relationships through an "Oppressor vs Oppressed lense. And they see themselves as virtuous for siding with the oppressed in those disputes.
Oppressor - Oppressed
Man. - woman
Straight - Gay
White - Black
Biology - Gender
Western - Non-Western
Christianity - Any other religion
Rich. - Poor.
1st World - 3rd World ( Developing nations to be politically correct.

Once you understand the dichotomous lense, everything makes sense.
 
Contemplating here, based on the news prior:

The same hospital, Ah-Ahli hospital was already bombed a few days earlier, specifically on Saturday, October 14 (…) which resulted in infrastructural damage.

Other hospitals have also been bombed the past days, including Al-Durra Children hospital, and the Indonesian hospital, among others.

Soon before the Ah-Ahli massacre, aircraft carried out a strike against a UNRWA-run schools, sheltering civilians, in the Al-Maghazi refugee camp in the central Gaza Strip, killing 6 and wounding dozens.

At precisely 9:37pm the warning was to evacuate Al-Ahli hospital and 5 other hospitals.

Hospital bombings continued even following the news of the massacre, one of which was the European Hospital and its adjacent Emirati Field Hospital, damaging the entrances.

Updated:

Other than European Hospital, the bombings also included the surrounding of Al Karama Hospital, and the Al Naser Hospital for Children, causing windows to shatter over the patients.
 
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Dax777 said:
I'm not leftwing by any stretch, but the analysis here is simple... People on the left view every relationships through an "Oppressor vs Oppressed lense. And they see themselves as virtuous for siding with the oppressed in those disputes.
Oppressor - Oppressed
Man. - woman
Straight - Gay
White - Black
Biology - Gender
Western - Non-Western
Christianity - Any other religion
Rich. - Poor.
1st World - 3rd World ( Developing nations to be politically correct.

Once you understand the dichotomous lense, everything makes sense.
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Interesting take. I'll think on it.
 
Do we think this has all come about because of the supposed Saudi deal with Israel and Iran absolutely dont want any of that going on?
 
Palerider said:
It does seem incredibly weird. All religions are right wing, that is what they are, ultra conservative. But at the risk of being called racist, the most far right religion by far is Islam. That the left have 'jumped into bed' with a far right organisation just beggars belief.
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Hard to know where to start with this. Just for starters

1. Many religious teachings are not "right wing", however you define that.
2. I'm not sure that massacres are either right or left wing; both extremes have happily employed them in the past.
3. Not all muslims have the same opinions
4. Other religions have, at various times, supported appalling actions. The Dutch reform church supported Apartheid, if you'd like to start there.

But yeah, the unthinking alignment of "left" with Islamofascism is indeed hard to account for.

The blind conflation of the religion of Islam with murderous fascism is dumb. The latter exploits the former.
 
Dax777 said:
I'm not leftwing by any stretch, but the analysis here is simple... People on the left view every relationships through an "Oppressor vs Oppressed lense. And they see themselves as virtuous for siding with the oppressed in those disputes.
Oppressor - Oppressed
Man. - woman
Straight - Gay
White - Black
Biology - Gender
Western - Non-Western
Christianity - Any other religion
Rich. - Poor.
1st World - 3rd World ( Developing nations to be politically correct.

Once you understand the dichotomous lense, everything makes sense.
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Its fuck all to do with what is virtuous, for most people.
It's about what is right and wrong.
 
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