Middle East Conflict

Palerider said:
It's a good post and you may well be right. I think most of us just want an end to this never ending cycle of violence. I cannot see how you can do that without reasonable people making reasonable compromises.
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You are right, you cannot.
 
arbabarshad said:
For a balanced discussion, do you think the current extremist Israel government should also be removed along with Hamas ? As their acts are much worse ? And how do you bring a more moderate government in Israel to negotiate with a supposed more moderate Palestine government?
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The current Israeli government certainly needs to be removed and if the polls are anything to go by, they will be removed at the next election. Now that his promises of security through suppression of Palestinian aspirations and through fear of terrorism have been shown to be totally discredited, the electorate will surely get rid and elect a government with some totally different ideas.

Hopefully in parallel the Palestinian people will realise that Hamas have brought them nothing but suffering and have given the current Israeli government the excuse they need to act the way they do, and they will somehow take advantage of their weakness once the IDF have finished with them and will also elect a government that aims to help their aspirations through negotiation rather than jihad and calling for the destruction of Israel.
 
arbabarshad said:
For a balanced discussion, do you think the current extremist Israel government should also be removed along with Hamas ? As their acts are much worse ? And how do you bring a more moderate government in Israel to negotiate with a supposed more moderate Palestine government?
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Yep, you are right. Hamas and Netanyahu both being removed would be perfect. My understanding is Netanyahu is polling lower than the tories so is pretty much toast. The Israelis would be able to vote in a more moderate government based on tried and tested democratic methods surely?
 
Palerider said:
Yep, you are right. Hamas and Netanyahu both being removed would be perfect. My understanding is Netanyahu is polling lower than the tories so is pretty much toast. The Israelis would be able to vote in a more moderate government based on tried and tested democratic methods surely?
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Trouble is the Israel’s can vote for a change of government, try to remove Hamas you’re
likely to end up six feet under. This is a never ending rinse and repeat.
 
robbieh said:
The problem is Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon do not want millions of poverty stricken radicalised people living in their countries.
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Lebanon have already paid a heavy price in this situation, the other countries look at this.

Maybe if they had adsorbed the refugees into their own populations after telling them to leave Israel instead of just abandoning them to be used as a political pawn, and stick to beat the Israelies there wouldn't be this huge intractible problem.
 
Ducado said:
How do you think they should respond? I’m just interested in people stating one opinion but not giving an answer

How should Israel respond to the Black Saturday attacks?
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I gave one last week and it was pooh-pooh'd by the Israeliphobes. We could always go down the Hamas route; rape and kill every single Israeli civilian, bomb every Israeli military institution, burn every synagogue to cinders, push the Israelis out of the region and rename the whole territory Palestine. Because thats what they mean.

I'd like to hear more from those who hate Israel to give their solutions about how Israel should respond.
 
i kne albert davy said:
Trouble is the Israel’s can vote for a change of government, try to remove Hamas you’re
likely to end up six feet under. This is a never ending rinse and repeat.
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People on both sides fo the debate tend to forget that Hamas were 'voted' in 16 years ago and there's been no election since.
 
Sunak over there for 2 days. Amy coincidence he chose these 2 days when there are 2 by elections on which they could well lose?
 
west didsblue said:
The current Israeli government certainly needs to be removed and if the polls are anything to go by, they will be removed at the next election. Now that his promises of security through suppression of Palestinian aspirations and through fear of terrorism have been shown to be totally discredited, the electorate will surely get rid and elect a government with some totally different ideas.

Hopefully in parallel the Palestinian people will realise that Hamas have brought them nothing but suffering and have given the current Israeli government the excuse they need to act the way they do, and they will somehow take advantage of their weakness once the IDF have finished with them and will also elect a government that aims to help their aspirations through negotiation rather than jihad and calling for the destruction of Israel.
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I admire your optimism. Have there been any polls since the terrorist attacks? It feels a bit too soon for pollsters to be calling people up for opinions and, even if they did, I’d be surprised if they reflect a softer approach, you’d typically expect people to move to a hardline while angry which would surely suit Netanyahu.

It would take a seismic shift in both Israel and Palestine attitudes before recent events, and it’s hard to see the last two weeks having brought that even closer. Peace requires both sides.

All that said I think the vast majority of planet earth, myself included, would be far happier if your post came to fruition rather than mine.
 
metalblue said:
I admire your optimism. Have there been any polls since the terrorist attacks? It feels a bit too soon for pollsters to be calling people up for opinions and, even if they did, I’d be surprised if they reflect a softer approach, you’d typically expect people to move to a hardline while angry which would surely suit Netanyahu.

It would take a seismic shift in both Israel and Palestine attitudes before recent events, and it’s hard to see the last two weeks having brought that even closer. Peace requires both sides.

All that said I think the vast majority of planet earth, myself included, would be far happier if your post came to fruition rather than mine.
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It’s what I hope will happen. I’m not optimistic.

Regarding polls, someone posted one a day or two ago showing unfavourability exceeding 80%. Hopefully he’s toast so it will all be down to his successor whoever it is.
 
metalblue said:
Even though it’s on the record that Sunak will be pressing for humanitarian aid in to Gaza. Why make shit up?
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The UK didn't vote for a ceasefire and to let humanatarian aid in. That in my eyes is stopping One Million children get the supplies they need.

On another note you haven't heeded your own advice when you said you'd never engage with me again in one of your many pm messages. Think on!
 
roubaixtuesday said:
The press conference and much other film of covered bodies was on both BBC and c4 news.
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Unfortunately I'm currently in Italy, and haven't seen a news bulletin (in English) since last Thursday (not missing it either).

Most of the news I've picked up has been on here or via the internet, I've seen a couple of Italian news bulletins on TV, but couldn't offer the context of what they're saying.
 
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