Indeed. It comes as no surprise. The IDF lies continuously.
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Bluemoon_420
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It’s a video refuting IDF claims don’t like the posts then ignore them or refute them.Are you just posting every post from Twitter that supports your view? You know this thread could get very fucking boring if we all did this?
If you understand that then let’s none of us do? If you insist on continuing then I promise I’ll trump you by just shit posting pro-Israeli shite in the same way that you’re doing anti-Israeli shite.
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Are we offering to take palestine people in like we did ukranians ? If not why not
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And the 43 Twitter posts prior to that?It’s a video refuting IDF claims don’t like it then ignore it or refute it.
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They can’t get out of Gaza maybe?Are we offering to take palestine people in like we did ukranians ? If not why not
kaz7
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We are getting organised to get brits out , americans the sameThey can’t get out of Gaza maybe?
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43, you’re counting them lol… Refute them if you don’t agree with them sunshine.And the 43 Twitter posts prior to that?
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Not out of Gaza.We are getting organised to get brits out , americans the same
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As I say, we can all shit post in one direction but then this thread would just be an even shitter version of Twitter, flower.43, you’re counting them lol… Refute them if you don’t agree with them sunshine.
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It doesn't matter what they want. They are not the entirety of the Palestinian people.Sure it could be argued but it would be wrong. Hamas don’t want a two state solution, they literally state their reason to be is the total eradication of the Jewish state.
Give them a viable state and the Palestinian people will get rid of Hamas. It's a well known fact that they are disliked by the Gazans.
As it stands, they have no choice but to accept Hamas as they are the only entity willing to take up arms on their behalf against an overwhelmingly more powerful oppressor that regularly bombs and kills them.
It's similar to when the royal air force carpet bombed fallowfield after the bomb at the arena in 2017. The terrorists lived there so anyone hiding them was complicit.The IDF have already come out and stated that Damage over Accuracy is their policy.
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That’s a problem but it’s not the only one. Lots of humanitarian aid workers are being killed so there will need to be more of them to distribute aid etc.When every other country chips in then it will amount to a goodly amount.
The only foreseeable problem is making sure Hamas don't get their hands on any of it and it goes to the civilians.
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…..regularly bombs and kills them in retaliation of Hamas atttacks and then Hamas parks the entirety of its infrastructure inside Palestinian civilian infrastructure (schools, hospitals, residential buildings etc etc).It doesn't matter what they want. They are not the entirety of the Palestinian people.
Give them a viable state and the Palestinian people will get rid of Hamas. It's a well known fact that they are disliked by the Gazans.
As it stands, they have no choice but to accept Hamas as they are the only entity willing to take up arms on their behalf against an overwhelmingly more powerful oppressor that regularly bombs and kills them.
Do you think that if Hamas didn’t do that, Israel would be attacking the civilian populace?
It depends what do you describe as terrorism, when the IRA were busy killing civilians they were lorded as freedom fighters in the US, are the resistance groups in Myanmar terrorists, were the French Resistance in WW2 terrorists?
It's a loaded word. in used to describe people who are fighting for a cause we don't like rather than one we do like, as always one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter it all depends which side of the fence you are sitting
I always like to sit on the fence, and condemn the actions of both parties but also realising that it does not come from nothing
You auditioning for a job at the BBC mate? ;-)
So the Palestinian people don't want Hamas, but they want a different group to do the same thing?It doesn't matter what they want. They are not the entirety of the Palestinian people.
Give them a viable state and the Palestinian people will get rid of Hamas. It's a well known fact that they are disliked by the Gazans.
As it stands, they have no choice but to accept Hamas as they are the only entity willing to take up arms on their behalf against an overwhelmingly more powerful oppressor that regularly bombs and kills them.
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So the Palestinian people don't want Hamas, but they want a different group to do the same thing?
I think they just want freedom tbh.
Well in all honesty the Israeli security forces and settlers regularly kill and imprison innocent Palestinians in the occupied West Bank. The same West Bank governed by the Palestinian Authority and not Hamas that has recognised Israel's right to exist.…..regularly bombs and kills them in retaliation of Hamas atttacks and then Hamas parks the entirety of its infrastructure inside Palestinian civilian infrastructure (schools, hospitals, residential buildings etc etc).
Do you think that if Hamas didn’t do that, Israel would be attacking the civilian populace?
goalmole
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The Israelis had a secular Palestinian leadership to deal with. It was called the PLO. Yasser Arafat accepted the right of Israel to exist decades ago.Hamas have to be removed. Either the Palestinian people remove Hamas themselves (ideal solution), elect a civilised government with their own peoples interest at heart and then negotiate an acceptable peace deal with Israel OR the UN take control of the Gaza strip and bring civilised a government etc OR Israel destroy Hamas themselves (not easy). Leaving Hamas in place is not an option or solution. Israel have a democratic mechanism to get rid of any leader they wish, Palestine appears to be controlled by those who have the biggest gun.
The Oslo accords happened, the Israelis failed to fully implement them under internal pressure from their own right wing politicians, the Palestinians got fed up and the whole thing collapsed.
In order to undermine the PLO and pursue a policy of divide and rule, the Israelis facilitated and financed the rise of Hamas as a rival of the PLO, knowing full well who they were and what they stood for.
Hamas are the creation of Israel.
You've got to be a bit blinkered or gullible to think that the Israelis want anything other than the status quo where they get to oppress the Palestinians while playing the victim backed by the Western powers because they serve the West's strategic interests in the Middle East.
Why would they agree to a Palestinian state.
It's a win win for everyone, unless you happen to be Palestinian.
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Theve killed Palestinian Children this week who were throwing stones at them in the West Bank.Well in all honesty the Israeli security forces and settlers regularly kill and imprison innocent Palestinians in the occupied West Bank. The same West Bank governed by the Palestinian Authority and not Hamas that has recognised Israel's right to exist.