Middle East Conflict

[abu13]

I dont pretend to understand the sitution or history but it seems the kind of fucked up mess that could escalate very quickly.

 

[inbetween]

I think it's a little off the mark to describe Hamas as being tolerated or supported as part of the Palestinian cause given there haven't been elections there in almost 20 years. The Palestinian people have been dispossessed to the point where it's hard to see how they could hold an election an install a functioning government. And I think that's the way Netanyahu wants things. I think Netanyahu's ultimate goal is to drive them out completely. I think he's quite happy to be putting a target on the backs of his own people if it gives him license to carpet bomb Gaza and I think even if someone could somehow promise a two state solution where it's guaranteed the Palestinians are a peaceful neighbour he would still prefer to go down the route he's going down right now.

Some are almost trying to justify Hamas armed resistance purely because of what Israel has done over the last 50 years. However people confuse that the aims of Hamas and Palestinians are likely very different. Either way it's impossible to tolerate an organisation of armed resistance as part of any possible future peace process.

Considering Israel are a well supported nuclear armed country, there are therefore only two options. 1) Remove Hamas and hold Israel to account on instigating peace and/or a two-state solution. Or, 2) tolerate Hamas and virtually guarantee that there will never be peace and Israel will never stop and many more will die.

There are some on here who just repeat the same shite about Israel but ultimately the reality isn't going to change. No matter how many solidarity marches are held, Israel is not going to give up land and it is not going to stop attacking Hamas in Gaza until the threat is gone.

Hezbullah are nothing like Hama they are not a Palestinian group they were born out of the bloody Israeli occupation of South Lebanon an action some what ironical in that it created the most powerful non state army in the world, you see violence begats violence, they don’t really go. In for what we call terrorist actions anymore

No they're not a Palestinian group but they're aligned to Hamas on exactly the same goal which is why they're fighting. Do you think that Hezbollah just wants to liberate the Palestinians? Does Iran want nuclear weapons to liberate Palestine? Do they balls, they all want one thing and that's to completely destroy Israel.

 

[MouldensChippy]

Hezbullah are nothing like Hama they are not a Palestinian group they were born out of the bloody Israeli occupation of South Lebanon an action some what ironical in that it created the most powerful non state army in the world, you see violence begats violence, they don’t really go. In for what we call terrorist actions anymore

You may want to clear up why Israel had to invade Lebanon in that statement, as you make it sound that it 'just happened', as if it was totally unjustified and out of nowhere !

Try mentioning the PLO attacking from Lebanon, it may help your explanantion.

 

[west didsblue]

Surely Hamas and Hezbollah are a product of the conditions under which Palestinian people are having to live though? Clearly nobody condones the massacre and gleeful murder/torture of Israeli civilians, but I am keen to understand what the correct response iswhen Israeli forces are bulldozing Palestinian settlements and dispossessing Palestinian people in contravention of international law? What is the correct response to blockades? Israeli forces have unlawfully killed and injured Palestinian civilians who have protested against having their land confiscated. The IDF regularly engages in the harassment and intimidation of the civilian population. Surely the violence being inflicted on the Palestinian people is never going to be met with a non-violent response, but what kind of violence is acceptable to the international community?

A peaceful resolution/two state solution clearly can't involve a Hamas government going forward, but there's also no way that an ultra nationalist far right government like the one Israel currently has can move us to that point either.

Hezbollah aren’t Palestinian. They just want to fulfil Iran’s aim of wiping out Israel.

 

[Bradley82]

They appear to have plenty of fuel, maybe they can supply their health service with some. And shouldn't we all be asking for evidence of this collapse or do we just take their word at face value like we do everytime they spew out their PR. Utter cunts as you say.

How do you personally evaluate how much fuel they have? What are your sources? How much fuel would be needed to run a hospital? Seriously.

 

[Scottyboi]

How do you personally evaluate how much fuel they have? What are your sources? How much fuel would be needed to run a hospital? Seriously.

Probably to do with this post by the IDF today.

 

[west didsblue]

Probably to do with this post by the IDF today.

Translation

#Urgent #Special This is what more than half a million liters of diesel fuel is in Hamas’ possession next to the #Rafah_Crossing. It continues to make its claims of its inability to supply hospitals, bakeries, and civilians with fuel. #Hamas_ISIS steals this diesel from civilians and transfers it to their tunnels, bombers, and leaders.
This is what Hamas's list of priorities looks like.
Residents of #Gaza, do not make any demands on Israel. Your address is Al-Sinwar (Al-Baghdadi), Al-Deif and other ISIS Hamas members who pushed Gaza into this abyss.

 

[Ducado]

You may want to clear up why Israel had to invade Lebanon in that statement, as you make it sound that it 'just happened', as if it was totally unjustified and out of nowhere !

Try mentioning the PLO attacking from Lebanon, it may help your explanantion.

I know that, but the point was it gave rise to Hezbula which displaced AMAL as the main Shia party

So for all the losses and destruction what did it achieve? They now have a greater threat on their border, like the invasion of Iraq things seldom go to plan in the Middle East and the law of unintended consequences always plays out

Like this situation, what will it actually achieve? There seems to be no plan for what happens after, which is actually the same situation as what happened in Iraq which Isis now essentially controlled by Iranian proxies

 

[grunge]

Translation

#Urgent #Special This is what more than half a million liters of diesel fuel is in Hamas’ possession next to the #Rafah_Crossing. It continues to make its claims of its inability to supply hospitals, bakeries, and civilians with fuel. #Hamas_ISIS steals this diesel from civilians and transfers it to their tunnels, bombers, and leaders.
This is what Hamas's list of priorities looks like.
Residents of #Gaza, do not make any demands on Israel. Your address is Al-Sinwar (Al-Baghdadi), Al-Deif and other ISIS Hamas members who pushed Gaza into this abyss.

playing devils advocate. there is no proof in the image to show that they have anything in the storage units.

 

[west didsblue]

Amazing the number of people on here who take statements from the Hamas run Gaza authorities about casualties and the effect of the blockade at face value yet automatically assume that anything from Israel is a lie or an exaggeration.