Middle East Conflict

I am interested in what will happen with the genocide charges.

Personally, I find it hard to believe ICJ lawyers will be buying any nonsense about self-defence or precision bombing and won't look too favourably on the destruction of homes, services and the buildings of government. I doubt genocide will be upheld, but it may make tough reading for the Israelis and the Americans. I suppose that would make the ICJ criminally complicit?

Anybody else any thoughts?
 
halfcenturyup said:
I am interested in what will happen with the genocide charges.

Personally, I find it hard to believe ICJ lawyers will be buying any nonsense about self-defence or precision bombing and won't look too favourably on the destruction of homes, services and the buildings of government. I doubt genocide will be upheld, but it may make tough reading for the Israelis and the Americans. I suppose that would make the ICJ criminally complicit?

Anybody else any thoughts?
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Not the endgame but provide more informed conjectures given his background in defending for South Africa, Bosnia, Hawaii, even Palestine.

Francis Boyle

Of course, one lone lawyer does not maketh a win.

 
BayernMan said:


The public line of the American government seems to be that statements from high-ranking members of the Israeli government do not, in fact, represent the views of the Israeli government, for some reason or another.
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I’ve been mentioning Smotrich and Ben Gvir far earlier in the thread.

Both of them live in their houses in the illegal occupied land. Smotrich is a public racist, and Ben Gvir is a staunch supporter of Kahanism.

The three stooges do not represent the liberal Jews who, without Irgun and zionist, will live peacefully with Palestinians like the halcyon days.
 
Hope to god this bombing in Iran is not linked to Israel, over 103 people dead. Could be ISIS or one of their offshoots trying to stir the pot, no one has come forward claiming it yet.
 
Scottyboi said:
Hope to god this bombing in Iran is not linked to Israel, over 103 people dead. Could be ISIS or one of their offshoots trying to stir the pot, no one has come forward claiming it yet.
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There are quite a few Sunni linked terror groups in Iran or who have dealings with them via proxy through Syria, as well as the targets being related to someone not liked by the public who openly dislike their rulers. Those killed were regime supporters and IRGC, who would be a prime target for those wanting revenge for those murdered/executed following last years protests.

It could equally be some sort of Israeli supported group, the same way Iran supports Hamas, Houthi's and Hezbollah, maybe Israel are doing similar to harm Iran internally.

Its probably hard to know with so many groups involved.
 
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Uncertain how many of the IOF in Gaza has been killed by friendly-fire as per the video update below (of 469 soldiers killed in combat), but I do remember the one of the earliest killed on their first day of ground invasion was because the tank turned turtle and one of its own was killed.



If the IOF really want to minimise and morally be more battle-ready, leave out the TikTok generation and PUBG reservists. Ground combat is a serious deal on both sides.
 
Not just people.

"The Great Omari Mosque, one of the most important and ancient mosques of historic Palestine (which was a temple first, a christian basilica after that and since 1500 years a mosque) has been destroyed. The Mamluk heritage sites in old Gaza, which houses a museum completely destroyed. The Ottoman baths completely destroyed. A museum in Rafah destroyed. Ancient christian churces destroyed. The list goes on. The representative of a European organization monitoring Gaza's cultural sites said that the destruction has been unprecedented." (Only place I've seen reference to this is a comment in a Haaretz thread.)
 
Gorton_Tubster said:
Thats not representative of the Israeli people. Its a couple of extreme ministers in their govn.
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You may be right but are people not always claiming that Israel is a democratic country? If so, then why aren't people who are elected and ministers not representative of Israeli people?

As I said, you may be right but the two arguments do not go together?
 
arbabarshad said:
You may be right but are people not always claiming that Israel is a democratic country? If so, then why aren't people who are elected and ministers not representative of Israeli people?

As I said, you may be right but the two arguments do not go together?
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For the same reason Rishi Sunak or Liz Truss aren’t representative of the British people. The vagaries of their democracy means that wrong ‘uns can become PM just like here or in the US where they ended up with Trump in spite of him getting less votes than Clinton in 2016. All democracies are flawed, some more than others.
 
west didsblue said:
For the same reason Rishi Sunak or Liz Truss aren’t representative of the British people. The vagaries of their democracy means that wrong ‘uns can become PM just like here or in the US where they ended up with Trump in spite of him getting less votes than Clinton in 2016. All democracies are flawed, some more than others.
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I don’t think anybody believes that the Israeli government is representative of their people, but to allow this frenzy the people of Israel can only be seen in two ways.

For or against, they need to have a voice.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
I don’t think anybody believes that the Israeli government is representative of their people, but to allow this frenzy the people of Israel can only be seen in two ways.

For or against, they need to have a voice.
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They need to start speaking up far more stridently.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
You can say that again. It may not be genocide but it is very much looking like ethnic cleansing.
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Its also looking like the only front they won't soon be fighting on is the seaward side of Gaza - when that happens I do hope when the call for international assistance they mostly get answerphones and out of office messages
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
And that is where the world will understand what the Israeli people really want, or what they are prepared to accept.

For me, what they are doing is completely unacceptable and I’d now be looking to see their government in the Hague.
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Aside from anything else, it’s increasingly inefficacious and counterproductive, long-term.
 
The missile strike in Hezbollah controlled Lebanon but still on Lebanese soil ( Israel won't say if they did it or not but call it a precision strike which kinda means it was them ) and the bombs in Iran whether false flag or not will not help Israel - the approach to Gaza and the continued attacks/deaths/encroachment on the West Bank will I think bring them nothing but ill - they are angering the Arab world against them and no good can come of it.
 
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