Middle East Conflict

Looking increasingly likely, should we get to phase 2, that Marwan Barghouti will be released albeit exiled to a third country, probably Turkey. I have previously mentioned him in response to posts saying that "they need to find different leaders". Possibly the only figure who could unify the Palestinians behind one voice ..... which is why he has been behind bars for 23 years.


 
fulabeer said:
Wow, i didn't know the Ukraine attacked Russia and killed 1200 people and took several hundred hostages.
No wonder Russia felt the need to invade the Ukraine to stop that threat and get the hostages back.

People here have agendas to keep. Hate Israel all you want. But don't think they haven't been provoked. (from multiple angles)

The other thread is about an unprovoked attack. The Ukraine and Palestine situations are not the same.
The only comparison between the two are that innocent people have been killed.
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Who provoked whom first?

The atrocities of October 7th happened in a short space of time, but were "provoked" by decades of atrocities. And that includes taking "hostages".

apnews.com

Israel holds over 1,200 detainees without charge. That's the most in 3 decades, a rights group says

A rights group says that Israel is holding 1,201 detainees without charge or trial, nearly all of them Palestinians, the highest number in over three decades.
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BlueAnorak said:
Blimey you lot are so anti Isreal and anti Jew it's untrue.
If Hamas had not attacked Isreal this whole horrible year and a half would not have happened.
But Hamas, Hezbolah and iran want the genocide of the entire Ireali population.
And you lot want to be complicit in that apparantly.
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LOL

If hamas hadn't resisted on October the 7th the there wouldn't have been any Palestinians left there in a decade or 2 anyway because israel would have continued to murder and ethnically cleanse them all just as they've done for the past 70+ years (and continue to do so both in the West Bank and Gaza even despite the current ceasefire)
 
The Fat el Hombre said:
LOL

If hamas hadn't resisted on October the 7th the there wouldn't have been any Palestinians left there in a decade or 2 anyway because israel would have continued to murder and ethnically cleanse them all just as they've done for the past 70+ years (and continue to do so both in the West Bank and Gaza even despite the current ceasefire)
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Some folk think this conflict started on the 7th October. Trying to convince us that Israel was just minding it's own business and breaking no rules.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
No. Absolutely not, although I do think the Isreal[sic] situation is far more complicated and nuanced than Ukraine, which I see as a pretty straight up battle of good against evil.

Everyone has things that trigger them for lots of different reasons. I readily accept I’m more energised by Ukraine than the Palestinian cause; there are multiple reasons for that. Others are more exercised by the latter, for their own good reasons I’m sure. It’s not a competition - and I do sympathise with the Pakestinan cause. And believe they absolutely deserve a viable and secure homeland. Just as the Jewish people did in 1945.

My point was that you said my question should be deployed to the ‘Ukrainian’ thread, after you’d literally just posted the following in this thread:

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Do you accept as a basic principle of fairness that it was wrong to create the state of Israel in land that already belonged to another people, a people who bore no responsibility for their suffering?
 
Mr Kobayashi said:
Do you accept as a basic principle of fairness that it was wrong to create the state of Israel in land that already belonged to another people, a people who bore no responsibility for their suffering?
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No, I don’t. But I think it was wrong as a basic principle of fairness that those people weren’t accommodated at the time or subsequently, which was perfectly feasible.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
I don’t. Why would you infer that from what I’ve said?
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Well what accommodation do you think would have compensated them for losing their homeland?

If their right is extinguished by a mere accommodation then doesn't it a follow that their rights were secondary?

If Person A illegally occupies Person B's house because theirs was firebombed, and the government then grants Person A ownership of Person B's house but purchases Person B a caravan by way of compensation...

Would you accept Person B has been short changed? That their rights were treated as secondary to Person A.
 
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The Fat el Hombre said:
LOL

If hamas hadn't resisted on October the 7th the there wouldn't have been any Palestinians left there in a decade or 2 anyway because israel would have continued to murder and ethnically cleanse them all just as they've done for the past 70+ years (and continue to do so both in the West Bank and Gaza even despite the current ceasefire)
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Now here was me KNOWING that Hamas:
- Had been launching missiles into Israel for years; and
- Had launched the 7th October raid into Isreal starting this shit show of a war; and
- Who want the removal of all Jews from Palestine for that is what the chant "From the River To The Sea" is all about a song about there core beliefs. (Hitler wanted that for Germany and it is code for Genocide.)

My mistake.
 
BlueAnorak said:
Now here was me KNOWING that Hamas:
- Had been launching missiles into Israel for years; and
- Had launched the 7th October raid into Isreal starting this shit show of a war; and
- Who want the removal of all Jews from Palestine for that is what the chant "From the River To The Sea" is all about a song about there core beliefs. (Hitler wanted that for Germany and it is code for Genocide.)

My mistake.
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Ouch
 
That's always been the Likud policy. "From the river to the sea there will only be Israeli sovereignty." (And previously also including Transjordan.)

If it's genocidal intent when Palestinians say it, it's genocidal intent by the Israeli government (and now the American government).
 
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BlueAnorak said:
Palestine didn't exit itself till 1917. A creation of the British Empire resembling the similar Roman Province and the Kingdom of Jordan - One of the British Empires allies in WW1.
The Ottoman Empire spit things very differently and there were multiple ethnic groupings.
en.m.wikipedia.org

Ottoman Syria - Wikipedia

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So by the Same logic Russia can take back Ukraine because it's only been a sovereign country 34 years?
 
BlueAnorak said:
Palestine didn't exit itself till 1917. A creation of the British Empire resembling the similar Roman Province and the Kingdom of Jordan - One of the British Empires allies in WW1.
The Ottoman Empire spit things very differently and there were multiple ethnic groupings.
en.m.wikipedia.org

Ottoman Syria - Wikipedia

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A British solution that might perhaps have been better thought out?
Now has that ever happened before?
 
BlueAnorak said:
Palestine didn't exit itself till 1917. A creation of the British Empire resembling the similar Roman Province and the Kingdom of Jordan - One of the British Empires allies in WW1.
The Ottoman Empire spit things very differently and there were multiple ethnic groupings.
en.m.wikipedia.org

Ottoman Syria - Wikipedia

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Lol. Because nobody ever referred to that area of land as Palestine before 1917. The imperial mindset in a nutshell.

en.wikipedia.org

Timeline of the name Palestine - Wikipedia

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