Most impactful manager in the first 8 years of their tenure

[jimharri]

I genuinely don't think we had much of an axe to grind with the Red lot down the M62 until the last 15 years (that's not excusing what their fan base chose to do in the 70s/80s across Europe it just didn't impact us).
Unfortunately they were taken over by septics who ganged together with the other septic owners to disparage us - their current fan base have chosen to buy into the nonsense and have reacted as they used to in the 70s and 80s

Yeah; I never had any strong feelings about them. Let's be honest; anyone the rags despise can't be too bad, right? Wrong. My dislike for them started with the match against them at Anfield on the 25th anniversary of the Hillsborough tragedy. City took out a full page in the match programme as a tribute. And they then spend the whole game giving us dog's abuse. And to cap it all, booing Yaya as he was being stretchered off. Utter cunts.

 

[Lovebitesandeveryfing]

What about Clough’s first 8 years at Forest?

I'd just adjust that a bit. From Derby County's promotion from the Second Division in 1969 through to Forest's second European Cup triumph in 1980, I'd say what he did was nothing short of miraculous. Don't forget that in both cases he went to clubs that had been vegetating in the second tier, in Derby's case for years. Of course we now fully know just how important Taylor was in the equation. Neither club had loads of cash, far from it. Liverpool were already breaking transfer records in the seventies. Even in the sixties I clearly remember them buying the teenager Alun Evans for what was at the time the huge sum of £100,000.
There was the blip of Brighton/Leeds United, but it was just that — a blip. And it doesn't tarnish Clough's legacy. There are statues of Clough in Derby, Nottingham. And Middlesbrough. That, for sure, will never happen again in one single country.

Edit: by God, but if only we'd got Clough after 1981! It was being discussed, apparently. With City's resources and support, and Clough and Taylor's leadership, wouldn't the eighties have looked completely different.

 

[Lovebitesandeveryfing]

Yeah; I never had any strong feelings about them. Let's be honest; anyone the rags despise can't be too bad, right? Wrong. My dislike for them started with the match against them at Anfield on the 25th anniversary of the Hillsborough tragedy. City took out a full page in the match programme as a tribute. And they then spend the whole game giving us dog's abuse. And to cap it all, booing Yaya as he was being stretchered off. Utter cunts.

Bricked a supporters coach as it was leaving their car park. They like to do that.
As you say — 22 carat cunts.

 

[Lovebitesandeveryfing]

and I feel the same about you v Chelsea in Porto.

I have to admit to you, @normskih, that I wasn't on my own out on the pitch. The ten other lads were there. We did our best, but it just wasn't enough.

 

[WesthoughtonJohn]

Yeah; I never had any strong feelings about them. Let's be honest; anyone the rags despise can't be too bad, right? Wrong. My dislike for them started with the match against them at Anfield on the 25th anniversary of the Hillsborough tragedy. City took out a full page in the match programme as a tribute. And they then spend the whole game giving us dog's abuse. And to cap it all, booing Yaya as he was being stretchered off. Utter cunts.

So as I said - your dislike started in 2014, that would qualify as the last 15 years yes???
I hate them with as much passion as the rags these days because of what their owners are trying so desperately to do.

 

[WesthoughtonJohn]

I've always despised them.

Which you are/were more than entitled to do :).
I despise them too these days - but the list of teams I despise is much longer now as a result of voting patterns at PL meetings!!!!

 

[normskih]

I have to admit to you, @normskih, that I wasn't on my own out on the pitch. The ten other lads were there. We did our best, but it just wasn't enough.

Hahaha, I just wrote what I was thinking but you should have covered Havertz:)

 

[Lovebitesandeveryfing]

Hahaha, I just wrote what I was thinking but you should have covered Havertz:)

I have to hold my hands up… (I was thinking about what I was going to have for tea at that particular moment).

 

[M40_Sheriff]

I've seen some reports recently that suggest that Alex Ferguson is the greatest manager ever in the English game. He was at Man U for almost 30 years and yes he won a lot of trophies. So hats off etc. However, it's very unlikely that Pep will be at City for this period of time. Therefore, I have compared the first 8 years of Pep's tenure with the first 8 years of GPC and there is no comparison. I have also included Bob Paisley in the mix too.

Let's spoil a good story with the facts. In the first 8 years of each managers tenure the major trophy count is as follows...

GPC 4
PG 15
BP 12

Plus, Pep has managed successfully in the German and Spanish leagues too. GPC achieved notable success with Aberdeen.

Trophies aside, Pep has revolutionised the way football is played in England.

What do you think?

Has he revolutionised football in England? Also if he has, is that positive? Southampton lost to Liverpool last week because they got caught playing out when it was never on. They take points off Liverpool there it works in the favour of City. Burnley went down because they wouldn't change how they play.

It's also pretty standard Spanish football as well. Hot country, start of the season is 30c+, end of the season is 30c+, best way to play is to keep the ball in that heat. Worth remembering Spain won Euro 2008 playing tiki taka, which was a very Spanish way of playing adopted by Luis Aragones and the RFEF (Spanish FA) several years previous, Pep for the 2007/08 season was managing Barça B, so his impact on Spanish football there was negligible. They also won the 2010 World Cup and Euro 2012 playing the same way. The other way to look at it is if he has a long lasting impact. If he did in Germany, they lost their national identity, and had their worst tournament showing since before WW2 recently. Revolutionising something doesn't necessarily mean it's positive. The idea of football is to win games, you do that by scoring more goals than your opponent. How you do that is irrelevant as long as you do it.