nobody can eat fifty eggs said:
You don't half talk some biased shit! You believe (unlike many, many other Jews) that because of your biblical and historical beliefs that Palestine is the Jews rightful land.
You want to remember who the indigenous people are and that's the Palestinians not the Israelis, who were "given" their state by Britain who indeed had no right to give part of someoene else's country away in the first place!
Against what you say, the settlers did consist largely of American and Northern European Jews and the settlements have expanded illegally by bulldozing more and more of the Palestinians rightful land, breaking all international laws and illegally occupying it.
You are letting you're bias get in the way of the facts of the situation and to drag Pakistan into your argument is laughable.
I tend to respect these orthodox Jewish people who are against Zionism and trust their God to protect them and not some apartheid racist political ideology:
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.nkusa.org/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.nkusa.org/</a>
Do you have two brain cells to rub together? Yet again you demonstrate your ability to "debate" based on facts you barely understand, if you understand them at all. It's plainly obvious when you cut and paste stuff as what you paste is so far removed from your self-penned, witless ramblings.
First fact: Most of the archaeological evidence suggests that the Jews were the indigenous Canaanites, who converted to Judaism and that there was no exodus from Egypt or great conquest after 40 years in the desert. A Jewish state had existed in that area up to the first century AD, when the Romans brutally suppressed a revolt there on a scale at least as bad as the Holocaust. That led to the dispersal of many of the survivors to Southern & then Western Europe but some stayed so there were many indigenous Jews as well, swelled by emigrants in the late 19th/early 20th century.
Most of the land was owned by absentee landlords, who lived in places like Cairo & Damascus. It was mostly scrub and desert, with no sovereign or functioning government other than the colonial power.
In 1948, it's well documented that all the surrounding Arab countries had designs on the territory so even if the Arab armies had won, it still wouldn't have been governed by those indigenous people. It would have been swallowed up by one or all of Egypt, Jordan and Syria.
Second fact: Britain didn't give anything to anyone. It was granted a mandate over the territory by the League of Nations in 1923 and, when it couldn't resolve the problem of partition, handed it back to the UK in 1947. It was the UN General Council who voted in favour.
Britain & France did give most of the rest of the Middle East away though, creating a series of artificial countries such as Iraq, Syria, Jordan & Saudi Arabia, that it gave to its favoured tribal chiefs regardless of any claim anyone else may have had.
Third fact: In 1948, it was actually mainly Jewish refugees from places like Iran, Iraq, Yemen, Morocco, Egypt, Syria who were either forcibly expelled or put under severe pressure to leave. At least as many Jews as Palestinians were displaced (over 800,000) yet you rarely hear about them. The later settlers, on the West Bank, have been largely been Americans but the bulk of immigration was in the early years of the state and into Israel proper.
Fourth fact: Pakistan, which was created at around the same time, had no history whatsoever and was created at the urging of Muslim politicians who wanted a a Muslim state separate from India. Read a book called Freedom At Midnight to get an understanding of the background to that and the horrendous slaughter that followed.
Finally, you clearly have no understanding of Neturei Karta and holding them up as some sort of moral beacon is utterly laughable. They are ISIS-style religious zealots (without the violence obviously) who wholeheartedly believe that Israel is historically a Jewish state promised to them by god.
The difference is that they believe it will only be restored by the coming of the Messiah and, when he does come, it will be a deeply religious state run on Biblical lines with the enemies of the Jews completely destroyed or subjugated. They object to the fact that the modern state was founded by men and not God. Based on that do you still think they're great?
The vast majority of Jews believe in the concept Israel as a Jewish state. However I agree that many of them don't like what it's become under people like Netanyahu.
