New Brexit thread (with added poll)

Discussion in 'Off Topic' started by Ric, 3 Sep 2017.

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If the Brexit referendum was held now, how would you vote?

  1. Remain

    512 vote(s)
    58.8%
  2. Leave

    335 vote(s)
    38.5%
  3. Undecided

    24 vote(s)
    2.8%
  1. Alan Harper's Tash

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    There's are no forecasts that suggest anyone (bar the super rich as per) is going to be better off by doing this. Even the leave campaign said it would be a hit worth taking.

    Given that most people are struggling at the moment. Food costs and fuel are rising quickly, meaning it's going to get worse in the future too.

    If interest rates rise, which they need to soon, then a lot of people will have to declare bankruptcy as personal debt is huge in this country.

    There's not much left to cut and we're not close to being solvent.

    At what stage should our elected politicians step in and say that if we do this then a lot of us could face financial ruin?
     
  2. Ancient Citizen

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    There are no forecasts saying we're going to be cast into penury either. As employment is now higher than ever and wages rising, how exactly is the Brexit vote causing what you state? Each and every negative forecast is being supported by could be's, maybe's and will be's without any substance whatsoever.
     
  3. Blue Hefner

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    Not necessarily a forecast but someone within an industry directly effected
     
  4. Alan Harper's Tash

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    Ok, question for you.

    As and when/if it becomes clear that it is going to have a crippling financial effect on our economy, do you believe our elected representatives should step in to stop this happening, or do you think it should go ahead whatever the cost?
     
  5. Ancient Citizen

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    Yes, I've read, but not heard, what he said. He is assuming that there will be no agreement between the EU and UK regarding movement of goods, and that his current arrangements within the EU construct of a customs union will be affected, because we're not adopting their rules. If this was to be the case, then EU goods into this country would also suffer similar disruption.
    This helps neither them, or us, so a workable compromise will be made, and that is what is currently under discussion. Nothing has happened as yet that threatens his business, in the same way that banks have not decamped en masse, taxes haven't shot up, etc; etc;
    Again, the supposition is an EU punishment stick for non compliance, I'll join in the fortune telling and say it won't happen.
     
  6. blueparrot

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    No he isn't assuming that at all, he is saying even if we get the same deal as Norway or Switzerland then it still isn't frictionless and he will lose his business. Also that production lines in the uk for foreign owned manufacturers that set up here with access to the single market will have to stop while they wait for parts from the EU to get delivered.
     
  7. Blue Hefner

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    I don’t think it should happen ‘whatever the cost’

    The public should be made aware of the actual realities of this then have the chance to change their mind, if they wish - the world has changed, opinions have probably changed and there is no fucking plan, at all. So let’s not fly the plane into a cliff because the passengers thing the stewardess is a more qualified to fly the plane than the pilot
     
  8. jimbopm

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    Of course government should step in. Let's not forget we live in a representative democracy, our MPs are supposed to act in it's constituents best interests and parliament as a whole should act in the national interest. Not one person of credibility has continued to argue the case of leaving the EU as being in the national interest, the only case that is put forward for continuing with Brexit is because it's the will of the people. Well no that's not really true is it? The referendum was a snapshot of public opinion on one day of one year and was won by 1.8% a slim majority. That's not 'the will of the people'. Now the working consequences of fulfilling the vote are being understood the mood has grown continually sour. The problem is that no-one wants to really stand up and challenge the vote. If the decision was taken by means of a general election promise we'd be able to carry on the debate and wait for our next chance to effect the outcome. With the referendum those on the Brexit side want you to think that the die is cast and that we can't go back. What sort of civilized country decides on something by a slim majority one day and then is forced to stick to it's decision forever? I'll say it again, we live in a representative democracy. The vast majority of MPs truly want nothing to do with Brexit but are afraid of the consequences of sticking their head above the parapet, maybe in fear of another Jo Cox incident occurring i don't know. It's utter madness that we are carrying on like this.
     
  9. Gaudion M

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    What is lost in this argument is the balance, we are far more reliant on EU trade than the rest of the EU are reliant on trade with us. In addition we have some very strong sectors that the EU would love to jump on - financial services being the biggest. Then there is the punishment stick argument - the EU will want to ensure that full membership is better than any partial membership, we will not be subsidised or helped to leave as if we are that will only encourage more break up.

    So expect any 'deal' to be significantly weighted in favor of the EU. We will have a simple choice of 3 options at the end of this: 1 stay, 2 a bad deal, 3 no deal.
     
  10. Alan Harper's Tash

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    That was my thinking, but you've worded it far better than I could have done.
     

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