Nicolás Otamendi - 2018/19 performances

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Rolee said:
Eh, what? Actually, scratch that, I'm out.
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Fair enough - but if you think that Otters - if given all the time in the world - all other players frozen in time on the pitch - that under these circumstances Otters would have chosen to take up exactly the position he was in...

Then OK. But I disagree with you.

Also, not sure why you're "Out" - isn't this a civil discourse? I do respect your opinion, although I disagree with it.
 
Rolee said:
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That's a good moment you have chosen.

That's the moment Otamendi breaks stride & the striker doesn't.

I've had to go & waste time finding this again, to check I'm not going insane. No I'm not, it's a bog standard error of judgement from both players one with the header, one takes his foot off the gas, the striker doesn't GOAL.

It's an example of why strikers are smarter than defenders.

The only diffucult bit, is scoring the goal.
 
Neville Kneville said:
That's a good moment you have chosen.

That's the moment Otamendi breaks stride & the striker doesn't.

I've had to go & waste time finding this again, to check I'm not going insane. No I'm not, it's a bog standard error of judgement from both players one with the header, one takes his foot off the gas, the striker doesn't GOAL.

It's an example of why strikers are smarter than defenders.

The only diffucult bit, is scoring the goal.
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Fair enough.

But what's your opinion of my assessment of blame? If you disagree, provide your blame assessment please.

Here's mine:

70% Laporte - chose to head the ball when paired with a partner who is known not to be especially fleet of foot;

20% Ederson - off his line, in no-man's land, with two defenders in good position to defend;

10% Otters - not fit enough to get between man and ball, although he knew he needed to get there but wasn't physically capable of doing so.
 
Neville Kneville said:
That's a good moment you have chosen.

That's the moment Otamendi breaks stride & the striker doesn't.

I've had to go & waste time finding this again, to check I'm not going insane. No I'm not, it's a bog standard error of judgement from both players one with the header, one takes his foot off the gas, the striker doesn't GOAL.

It's an example of why strikers are smarter than defenders.

The only diffucult bit, is scoring the goal.
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Yep, the moment the ball is headed, what other moment should I choose ffs?
 
CityInWashingtonState said:
Fair enough.

But what's your opinion of my assessment of blame? If you disagree, provide your blame assessment please.

Here's mine:

70% Laporte - chose to head the ball when paired with a partner who is known not to be especially fleet of foot;

20% Ederson - off his line, in no-man's land, with two defenders in good position to defend;

10% Otters - not fit enough to get between man and ball, although he knew he needed to get there but wasn't physically capable of doing so.
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Both equal imo, Otamendi broke stride as the ball was headed. The striker didn't. Poor judgement from Laporte.

Difficult for Ederson because on other occasions when Otamend has done similar to what Laporte did, or just passed the ball to the oppo striker, he's been the one who had to sprint out & rescue it.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Both equal imo, Otamendi broke stride as the ball was headed. The striker didn't. Poor judgement from Laporte.

Difficult for Ederson because on other occasions when Otamend has done similar to what Laporte did, or just passed the ball to the oppo striker, he's been the one who had to sprint out & rescue it.
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Fair enough - but I'd appreciate an exact percentage breakdown on blame - Laporte, Otters, Ederson, anyone else.

Curious though why you think that Ederson is free of blame - elaborate on this more.
 
CityInWashingtonState said:
Fair enough - but I'd appreciate an exact percentage breakdown on blame - Laporte, Otters, Ederson, anyone else.

Curious though why you think that Ederson is free of blame - elaborate on this more.
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50/50

He has had to rescue at least one fuckup per game recently, by getting out to the ball very quickly, & he would, imo expect Laporte to head it then if that went wrong, it could drop into the box, he'd expect Otamendi to make a robust challenge for the 2nd ball, then, if Otta got that wrong, he would have to dive at the feet of the striker as he tried to get away from Otamendi.

Don't think he would expect both cbs to fuck it up so the striker could lob him.
 
Rolee said:
Yep, the moment the ball is headed, what other moment should I choose ffs?
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None whatsoever.

However, a goal was scored.

Do you actually think that Otters was in the exact optimal position he should have been? As subsequent frame captures would either prove or disprove?
 
Neville Kneville said:
50/50

He has had to rescue at least one fuckup per game recently, by getting out to the ball very quickly, & he would, imo expect Laporte to head it then if that went wrong, it could drop into the box, he'd expect Otamendi to make a robust challenge for the 2nd ball, then, if Otta got that wrong, he would have to dive at the feet of the striker as he tried to get away from Otamendi.

Don't think he would expect both cbs to fuck it up so the striker could lob him.
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So Ederson is completely free of blame?

Is in the precise optimal position that you would chose him to take up?

With two defenders in prime position ahead of him?
 
CityInWashingtonState said:
None whatsoever.

However, a goal was scored.

Do you actually think that Otters was in the exact optimal position he should have been? As subsequent frame captures would either prove or disprove?
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I concede, Otter should've done a go-go gadget and cleared that ball.
 
Neville Kneville said:
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Dude - a video post without commentary assumes that your audience is stupid - or that you're immediately spot on in rebuttal.

Apparently you are not aware of youtube's video posting options - so I'll clue you in - there's an option to post a video at a certain, specific time frame - look it up - and then repost your rebuttal.

Moreover, your breakdown of blame is still missing - especially with regard to Ederson - so far it looks as if you think that Ederson is in perfect position and is thus free of blame.
 
Rolee said:
I concede, Otter should've done a go-go gadget and cleared that ball.
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Otters did the best he could have IMO.

I think we're largely in agreement to be honest - look at my blame assessment. If you strongly disagree, I'd like to see a rebuttal post.
 
CityInWashingtonState said:
Dude - a video post without commentary assumes that your audience is stupid - or that you're immediately spot on in rebuttal.

Apparently you are not aware of youtube's video posting options - so I'll clue you in - there's an option to post a video at a certain, specific time frame - look it up - and then repost your rebuttal.

Moreover, your breakdown of blame is still missing - especially with regard to Ederson - so far it looks as if you think that Ederson is in perfect position and is thus free of blame.
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I put it there so you could watch it at full speed as you were talking about frames. No idea what second it is. Somewhere in the middle.

Otamendi isn't running flat out when the goal is scored nor prior to it.

I've already answered the previous post .
 
Neville Kneville said:
I put it there so you could watch it at full speed as you were talking about frames. No idea what second it is. Somewhere in the middle.

Otamendi isn't running flat out when the goal is scored nor prior to it.

I've already answered the previous post .
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Time is precious - no one, including me, is going to wade through an entire video if you wish to make a point.

This is how you focus on a specific time frame in a video: https://www.wikihow.com/Link-to-a-Certain-Time-in-a-YouTube-Video.

View it - learn from it - and repost.

Secondly, you still absolve Ederson of all responsibility for the goal, way off his line and chipped in spite of having 2 defenders in excellent position. I find this absolution of blame on the part of Ederson very curious. Please elaborate.
 
CityInWashingtonState said:
Time is precious - no one, including me, is going to wade through an entire video if you wish to make a point.

This is how you focus on a specific time frame in a video: https://www.wikihow.com/Link-to-a-Certain-Time-in-a-YouTube-Video.

View it - learn from it - and repost.

Secondly, you still absolve Ederson of all responsibility for the goal, way off his line and chipped in spite of having 2 defenders in excellent position. I find this absolution of blame on the part of Ederson very curious. Please elaborate.
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Nah.
 
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