Nicolas Otamendi - 2016/17 performances

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Gabriel said:
Reminds me of Eric Liddell running in Chariots of Fire:

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Hahahaha I thought exactly the same againstbthe rags the other night when he was chasing rashford. Heed right the way back.
 
In the same way Yaya who is over 6ft tall yet manages to jump 5ft, Otamendi has this knack of actually going backwards whilst being at full speed.

Look not every player has pace to burn and many of the best defenders ever have not been the quickest but you then have to have the brains and positional sense to compensate and sadly he doesnt.
 
Dax777 said:
Lol. Some of you have been in hibernation for a while. Been holding that "Otamendi sucks" scream in for a while haven't you?

He had an average game been outrun by the fastest guy in the league and a fresh leg off the bench.

So yeah lets deem him unfit after 5 stellar performances prior to the average one today.

Surely, a guy who is good in 5 of his 6 performances isn't good enough.

Thought Pep was the problem today, not Otamendi. Thank God they didn't start with the human dribbling machine. We'd have had more trouble.

Btw: So iS Kompany not making him play well anymore?
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Your love for Otamendi has clearly blinded you. What 5 stellar performances are you talking about?

Vs United- Rashford toasted him on several occasions, wouldn't exactly call his performance stellar. At Wembley vs Arsenal- Average and had a terrible howler where we were lucky not to concede but you probably forgot about that. He was great at Southampton though.

Otamendi is not good enough. I don't care what the stats say and if he is the best header of the ball in the league or whatever. He is just too inconsistent. Has had some truly shocking performances this season as well as great ones. You will realize he's not good enough next season when you see him either sold or given a back up role.
 
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Your love for Otamendi has clearly blinded you. What 5 stellar performances are you talking about?

Vs United- Rashford toasted him on several occasions, wouldn't exactly call his performance stellar. At Wembley vs Arsenal- Average and had a terrible howler where we were lucky not to concede but you probably forgot about that. He was great at Southampton though.

Otamendi is not good enough. I don't care what the stats say and if he is the best header of the ball in the league or whatever. He is just too inconsistent. Has had some truly shocking performances this season as well as great ones. You will realize he's not good enough next season when you see him either sold or given a back up role.
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I'm too tired to point out every fallacy. I don't love Otamendi. Think he is fine. My railings here is not in support of Otamendi, rather its against the biased nature of perceiving one player vis a vis the others.
 
Dax777 said:
I'm too tired to point out every fallacy. I don't love Otamendi. Think he is fine. My railings here is not in support of Otamendi, rather its against the biased nature of perceiving one player vis a vis the others.
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Exactly this. For those expecting Otamendi to be sold and/or have a major role reduction next year then I think you'll be disappointed. Pep seems to see things that you don't and likes his skill set. He even recently praised him by stating how much he loves his passing. If the rumors of Sandro/Walker are true then that's ~90m with ~200m to spend...good luck getting another CB in. Personally, I don't see it. I don't think Vinnie is going anywhere either.
 
ADegenerate said:
Exactly this. For those expecting Otamendi to be sold and/or have a major role reduction next year then I think you'll be disappointed. Pep seems to see things that you don't and likes his skill set. He even recently praised him by stating how much he loves his passing. If the rumors of Sandro/Walker are true then that's ~90m with ~200m to spend...good luck getting another CB in. Personally, I don't see it. I don't think Vinnie is going anywhere either.
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I think he said he was happy with how much his passing had improved, and it has, but it's still not incredible.

The problem is that I was just starting to think he'd turned a corner, seemed to be playing with his head, and then he goes and has a shitter against Boro, the most limited attacking team in the country. And it makes you wonder if he'll ever be reliable enough to trust, or if the next clanger is just around the corner. At 29 years old that's something you'd expect him to be long past by now.

Don't think he'll be sold, do think he'll be used less and less if Kompany stays fit or a replacement is found.
 
domalino said:
I think he said he was happy with how much his passing had improved, and it has, but it's still not incredible.

The problem is that I was just starting to think he'd turned a corner, seemed to be playing with his head, and then he goes and has a shitter against Boro, the most limited attacking team in the country. And it makes you wonder if he'll ever be reliable enough to trust, or if the next clanger is just around the corner. At 29 years old that's something you'd expect him to be long past by now.

Don't think he'll be sold, do think he'll be used less and less if Kompany stays fit or a replacement is found.
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I agree with your post. There's a brilliant stat in baseball 'wins above replacement'. It's a calculation of how much a player adds to the team over the average player. You can never calculate this accurately in football but you can speculate. My whole defense of Otamendi is that he's better than possible replacements. If Vinnie stays fit and John improves like I hope that he does, well then he will see less time. If we buy another CB then I hope for sure that we're 100% certain that he's a superior option. We weren't with John but I understood why we bought him. Some are certain VVD would be, or Laporte. I'm not. Now Bonucci on the other hand is a different story. I definitely don't think it's the right time to add another CB unless the kitty is closer to ~300m than the rumored ~200m. I'd rather the money be focused on areas where we KNOW we are getting a higher return on the 'wins above replacement'. Such as Isco, Sanchez, a boss DM, the fullbacks, or paying over the odds for Mbappe.

Whatever happens though I'm still trusting the process.
 
ADegenerate said:
I agree with your post. There's a brilliant stat in baseball 'wins above replacement'. It's a calculation of how much a player adds to the team over the average player. You can never calculate this accurately in football but you can speculate. My whole defense of Otamendi is that he's better than possible replacements. If Vinnie stays fit and John improves like I hope that he does, well then he will see less time. If we buy another CB then I hope for sure that we're 100% certain that he's a superior option. We weren't with John but I understood why we bought him. Some are certain VVD would be, or Laporte. I'm not. Now Bonucci on the other hand is a different story. I definitely don't think it's the right time to add another CB unless the kitty is closer to ~300m than the rumored ~200m. I'd rather the money be focused on areas where we KNOW we are getting a higher return on the 'wins above replacement'. Such as Isco, Sanchez, a boss DM, the fullbacks, or paying over the odds for Mbappe.

Whatever happens though I'm still trusting the process.
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Haha, that's funny. Of the 3 big time CB we've been linked to, the only one I'm absolutely certain can't touch Otamendi with a pole is Bonnucci. Laporte and Virgil might be better or grow to be better. I'm absolutely certain Bonnucci would be worse. He simply has never played in a high line open defense before.
 
Dax777 said:
Haha, that's funny. Of the 3 big time CB we've been linked to, the only one I'm absolutely certain can't touch Otamendi with a pole is Bonnucci. Laporte and Virgil might be better or grow to be better. I'm absolutely certain Bonnucci would be worse. He simply has never played in a high line open defense before.
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Good points. I see what you mean. Also he's surrounded by Chiellini, Barzagli, and buffon lol.
 
Well done Ota. Best player in the pitch before he scored so delighted to see him cap it with a goal.
 
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