Nigel Farage

Rascal said:
Farage and his ilk are poisoning discourse. Restore, reverberate, reform, revert, review or whatever these fascist cunts name themselves are only doing the work of the owners of capital.The people who fund them and give them money to buy £5 million pound houses etc. We are in danger of becoming a Plutocracy.

We are approaching a new reckoning where those with wealth take our democracy back to the 1700s, a time when wealth and privilege got you power. Of course the Labour party have much to answer for too, it has purged the anti capitalists and allowed pro capitalists to run the party, a party now run for those with wealth and privilege.

The far right parties know the left is in disarray and they have carte blanche through their wealthy owned media to attack the left at every junction. The current main attack line is that the left are the party of "benefits", the other attack line is "immigration". typical far right talking points. But they speak fucking nonsense, but the likes of GBEEBIES and the Mail amplyfy it and they are organs that Goebbels would have loved to have at his disposal.

I am appalled that the far right are making inroads into our great city. The only people who will benefit from a Manchester run by the likes of Reform are those with wealth, the working class will get fuck all, our lives will not improve, our neighbourhoods will not improve, your lives will not improve because immigration goes down and anti Muslim hate increases.

i could go on for hours, but i am tired, fighting against the far right is tiring, i am tired.

Tomorrow though, i will fight again.

No Pasaran.
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Quality not quantity.
Top post and great to see you here.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
You know, less the Saudi student part, I heard that story few days ago but couldn’t find it so thought it was made up. Just looked and the attacker got 22 years but was only published on the local BBC news website.

I find it quite incredulous that this wasn’t front and centre, considering the current climate!

I always try to think the BBC is open and straight with their readership, but after a few stories now being hidden, I’m beginning to think that there’s something dark happening in the background where they to are influencing how the narrative is told.
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Oh come on , open and straight. Rather it is in plain sight.
 
Palerider said:
Yes I am being deliberately silly but surely going back to someone's schooldays to judge their character is well over the top? Now, I do not mind doing it but I'd want everyone's schooldays to be judged too and I was making the point that I doubt anyone would pass a moral purity test based on our schooldays.
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This is 100% true: in my 3rd year of high school the class “adopted” a pet rabbit and our form teacher asked for suggestions for a name.

We had a considerable contingent of Jewish pupils so one clever dick (who was excluded frim the school in his final year for attacking the Head with a pool cue) proposed “Adolf” as the rabbit’s name. And thus, following a class vote, the rabbit was duly given this soubriquet .

How the class teacher ever thought this was acceptable is beyond my understanding. But that’s what happened. Maybe we were less aware then as 14 yr olds of just how wrong this was (I was too busy playing football and searching for elusive jazz mags to have given it much / any thought).
 
johnnytapia said:
This is 100% true: in my 3rd year of high school the class “adopted” a pet rabbit and our form teacher asked for suggestions for a name.

We had a considerable contingent of Jewish pupils so one clever dick (who was excluded frim the school in his final year for attacking the Head with a pool cue) proposed “Adolf” as the rabbit’s name. And thus, following a class vote, the rabbit was duly given this soubriquet .

How the class teacher ever thought this was acceptable is beyond my understanding. But that’s what happened. Maybe we were less aware then as 14 yr olds of just how wrong this was (I was too busy playing football and searching for elusive jazz mags to have given it much / any thought).
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What happened to the rabbit?
Did it invade Poland and outbreed the local rabbits?
 
Palerider said:
Yes I am being deliberately silly but surely going back to someone's schooldays to judge their character is well over the top? Now, I do not mind doing it but I'd want everyone's schooldays to be judged too and I was making the point that I doubt anyone would pass a moral purity test based on our schooldays.
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I think you make a very valid point, for the vast, vast majority of people.
However, it starts to crumble a bit when some people believe and act, at 62, exactly what they believed and how they acted, when they were at school…
 
Palerider said:
Yes I am being deliberately silly but surely going back to someone's schooldays to judge their character is well over the top? Now, I do not mind doing it but I'd want everyone's schooldays to be judged too and I was making the point that I doubt anyone would pass a moral purity test based on our schooldays.
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The racism and nazi chants were when he was a schoolboy.

Getting caught lying about it repeatedly as 30 former classmates have corroborated and refusing to acknowledge it happened or own it was when he was 62.
 
threespires said:
I think a key issue though is that something in 'the middle' from say 30-40 years ago is now regularly painted as extreme left. Going further back still, if you dropped Harold Macmillan into our current parliament and didn't tell him who was who, he'd probably make his way to the Labour benches and still wonder if some of his colleagues weren't a bit too right wing for his tastes.

To get those things that you mention in your second paragraph is possible but I think that will require a recognition that, far from the middle way, we've been living through decades of quite extreme right wing policies. The job isn't to find a new middle, it's to drag us back to the one that already existed that we have been taken away from. Any effective action will be painted as extreme but it really isn't.
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Yes I do tend to agree however the left of politics has become extremely confuddled with things like gender politics and that kind of thing which just puts people off. The working classes do not care about these issues, I in the centre do not care about these issues but they are pushed front and centre for literally no reason.

The working classes care about a good job, a house and the family and by most measures these issues are worsening. The left have not truly represented these core issues for many years now. Even Corbyn didn't provide an answer because he just wanted to punish rich people and then umbrella everybody under the state. It was an ideology and not a solution.

What is really needed is a core working class Labour which prioritises the absolute core issues which are the cost of living, jobs, wages and the standard of living. We need to move towards what the Nordic countries do and that's it, that's all they need to look at and talk about. Somebody somewhere just needs to put people first. If the NHS needs £20bn then find a way, don't lie and say we can't because of the last government, nobody gives a shit.

Until then of course Reform are going to do well, they're appealing to the overarching narrative which is immigrants are apparently to blame for everything. It is a somewhat logical argument given austerity and the amount of population change but couple that with a cultural identity crisis and then throw petrol on the fire with the asylum crisis and recent events such as murders... It's just too easy.
 
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