North Stand Construction Discussion

[Newman Noggs]

Maybe VR season tickets becoming a thing and the club don't bother expanding. Why put millions into construction when you can just let people pretend they are there! It's what rag fans have been doing for decades.

I am no techie but I reckon this is the club's vision. And, in that, like everything else, I believe we are light years ahead of the pack.

 

[jrb]

I am no techie but I reckon this is the club's vision. And, in that, like everything else, I believe we are light years ahead of the pack.

It’s not and never will be the same. You can’t replicate being at the match no matter what the tech is now or is in the future. As soon as you walk into the ground with your dad, mum or mates and see and experience it for the first time, that’s the split second you love City and love football. You will never get that feeling in the metaverse. Even the Hollodeck on the Star Ship Enterprise couldn’t replicate that feeling as you know it’s computer generated and fake.

 

[jrb]

Very probably ....LFC have done something similar with Anfield Rd without closing the original 2 tiers.

City's plan is also to create a bowl by building out the corners.

It's all possible, feasible and affordable, additionally ADUG will not settle for being second to anyone on these matters including RMd.

Hopefully you’re right mate. :-)

 

[jrb]

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[Newman Noggs]

It’s not and never will be the same. You can’t replicate being at the match no matter what the tech is now or is in the future. As soon as you walk into the ground with your dad, mum or mates and see and experience it for the first time, that’s the split second you love City and love football. You will never get that feeling in the metaverse. Even the Hollodeck on the Star Ship Enterprise couldn’t replicate that feeling as you know it’s computer generated and fake.

Never is a long time and there is a whole world full of football fans who cannot hope to regularly attend games in person but who might wish to see every home game, affiliate to the club and aspire to visit in person one day.

Just because we can't conceive it as traditional fans, doesn't mean that there isn't a visionary somewhere who can. I'm old enough to remember scoffing at the idea of mobile phones.

 

[supercity88]

I've had another look through the Design and Access Statement just to scope out the hospitality proposed. It talks about it being similar to Joe's bar - which from a youtube stalk as I've not done it, offers a free drink and then is pay as you go. Pretty informal, nothing special but then a padded seat in the 2nd tier. Not sure on the cost of it for a game/season.

The difference here, and what might make you slightly happier @jrb (only slightly mind) is that the floorplans for the NS expansion show a similarly informal area which doesn't offer much more than a beer and burger/pie experience but it's accessed via the main concourse with the regular fans and shares the toilet facilities as well. The seats aren't a segregated 5 rows which provide any reason/justification for paying extra for and you'd imagine that as a result the club will charge a small additional fee simply for access to a "private" bar and seats in a good location in the stand. People might pay a hundred quid or so more for that privilege so I really don't think you'll see such a difference in demographic that you'll have people unwilling to stand and sing.

If you want hospitality, surely you want separate toilets and a little bit more than this looks to offer on the face of it?!

 

[jrb]

Never is a long time and there is a whole world full of football fans who cannot hope to regularly attend games in person but who might wish to see every home game, affiliate to the club and aspire to visit in person one day.

Just because we can't conceive it as traditional fans, doesn't mean that there isn't a visionary somewhere who can. I'm old enough to remember scoffing at the idea of mobile phones.

You’re right. You can never say never. Technology is always racing a head. But atm, sticking a VR headset on your head will never be the same as going to the match, even though you think you are immersed in the game. At least you might be able to turn the atmosphere up?

 

[Corky]

I've had another look through the Design and Access Statement just to scope out the hospitality proposed. It talks about it being similar to Joe's bar - which from a youtube stalk as I've not done it, offers a free drink and then is pay as you go. Pretty informal, nothing special but then a padded seat in the 2nd tier. Not sure on the cost of it for a game/season.

The difference here, and what might make you slightly happier @jrb (only slightly mind) is that the floorplans for the NS expansion show a similarly informal area which doesn't offer much more than a beer and burger/pie experience but it's accessed via the main concourse with the regular fans and shares the toilet facilities as well. The seats aren't a segregated 5 rows which provide any reason/justification for paying extra for and you'd imagine that as a result the club will charge a small additional fee simply for access to a "private" bar and seats in a good location in the stand. People might pay a hundred quid or so more for that privilege so I really don't think you'll see such a difference in demographic that you'll have people unwilling to stand and sing.

If you want hospitality, surely you want separate toilets and a little bit more than this looks to offer on the face of it?!

Don't forget the laminate floor.

 

[jrb]

I've had another look through the Design and Access Statement just to scope out the hospitality proposed. It talks about it being similar to Joe's bar - which from a youtube stalk as I've not done it, offers a free drink and then is pay as you go. Pretty informal, nothing special but then a padded seat in the 2nd tier. Not sure on the cost of it for a game/season.

The difference here, and what might make you slightly happier @jrb (only slightly mind) is that the floorplans for the NS expansion show a similarly informal area which doesn't offer much more than a beer and burger/pie experience but it's accessed via the main concourse with the regular fans and shares the toilet facilities as well. The seats aren't a segregated 5 rows which provide any reason/justification for paying extra for and you'd imagine that as a result the club will charge a small additional fee simply for access to a "private" bar and seats in a good location in the stand. People might pay a hundred quid or so more for that privilege so I really don't think you'll see such a difference in demographic that you'll have people unwilling to stand and sing.

If you want hospitality, surely you want separate toilets and a little bit more than this looks to offer on the face of it?!

Good digging mate. Well done. :-)

That reads better. Less formal, with no segregated seats, alters things for the better, if that happens?

 

[blueparrot]

I've had another look through the Design and Access Statement just to scope out the hospitality proposed. It talks about it being similar to Joe's bar - which from a youtube stalk as I've not done it, offers a free drink and then is pay as you go. Pretty informal, nothing special but then a padded seat in the 2nd tier. Not sure on the cost of it for a game/season.

The difference here, and what might make you slightly happier @jrb (only slightly mind) is that the floorplans for the NS expansion show a similarly informal area which doesn't offer much more than a beer and burger/pie experience but it's accessed via the main concourse with the regular fans and shares the toilet facilities as well. The seats aren't a segregated 5 rows which provide any reason/justification for paying extra for and you'd imagine that as a result the club will charge a small additional fee simply for access to a "private" bar and seats in a good location in the stand. People might pay a hundred quid or so more for that privilege so I really don't think you'll see such a difference in demographic that you'll have people unwilling to stand and sing.

If you want hospitality, surely you want separate toilets and a little bit more than this looks to offer on the face of it?!

Sounds more 93:20 than Joes difference being no free drink just a programme and access to the bar. I suppose the pricing could be guessed by the difference between a 93:20 ticket and those in the block next to 93:20. That should be the difference between those 700 seats and the ones around them.