Offside against Stoke

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mcfcirlam

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I have been watching football for nearly 50 years and I know that the Offside rule has changed,but I am still confused about a decision on Saturday.
Stoke cleared the ball from their penalty box in the first half, it didn't reach our half of the pitch and their forward has come from an offside position back into his own half and the ball lands near him.
The linesman flagged for offside, but he must have been inactive in our half as the ball did not reach.
The offside law states, you cannot be offside in your own half, which is where he was when the ball went to that area of the pitch.
Please let me have your opinion.
 
mcfcirlam said:
I have been watching football for nearly 50 years and I know that the Offside rule has changed,but I am still confused about a decision on Saturday.
Stoke cleared the ball from their penalty box in the first half, it didn't reach our half of the pitch and their forward has come from an offside position back into his own half and the ball lands near him.
The linesman flagged for offside, but he must have been inactive in our half as the ball did not reach.
The offside law states, you cannot be offside in your own half, which is where he was when the ball went to that area of the pitch.
Please let me have your opinion.
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From what I understand it's when the ball is played not when it's received, so even if he ran back into his own half he would still be offside
 
He was offside when the ball was kicked. Had he not challenged for the ball, he wouldn't have been given offside. It doesn't matter where is is when the ball lands; it's when it's kicked. That's my understanding of it anyway.
 
cheddar404 said:
He was offside when the ball was kicked. Had he not challenged for the ball, he wouldn't have been given offside. It doesn't matter where is is when the ball lands; it's when it's kicked. That's my understanding of it anyway.
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Thats 2 replies already and both have said thats their understanding. I am probably wrong, but the ball did not enter our half.
Nice to know its debatable as my University son thinks i am totally stupid.
 
mcfcirlam said:
Thats 2 replies already and both have said thats their understanding. I am probably wrong, but the ball did not enter our half.
Nice to know its debatable as my University son thinks i am totally stupid.
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Ask your son who taught him how to fasten his own shoes. That'll shut him up. Or tell him the Bank of Dad is closed until further notice.
 
mcfcirlam said:
I have been watching football for nearly 50 years and I know that the Offside rule has changed,but I am still confused about a decision on Saturday.
Stoke cleared the ball from their penalty box in the first half, it didn't reach our half of the pitch and their forward has come from an offside position back into his own half and the ball lands near him.
The linesman flagged for offside, but he must have been inactive in our half as the ball did not reach.
The offside law states, you cannot be offside in your own half, which is where he was when the ball went to that area of the pitch.
Please let me have your opinion.
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The problem you have, is that the officials don't understand how to interpret the rules either so therefore it just purely depends on the bloke with the flag. There was a similar instance with Navas being flagged in spite of getting nowhere near the ball.

On another occasion a bloke who is 15 yards offside can run toward the ball, the lino will wait wait wait until he gets there, then stick the flag up!

It's bollocks.
 
If he's in an offside position when the ball is played (ie in the opposition half and closer to the goal-line than the ball and the second-last opponent) then he can be offside wherever the ball lands if he makes an attempt to play it.
 
Norbiton said:
If he's in an offside position when the ball is played (ie in the opposition half and closer to the goal-line than the ball and the second-last opponent) then he can be offside wherever the ball lands if he makes an attempt to play it.
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True, and currently, the free kick is usually given from the place where the offside player was when the ball was kicked (i.e. in City's half in this case). However, this is changing in the summer... The offside rule will be the same, but the free kick will be from where the player is when he's called offside, which could be in his own half.
 
Joe Royle went mental at the linesman at Chester in the FA Cup when Kennedy did the same, do it is not just the OP who can get caught out.
 
CaliforniaBlue said:
True, and currently, the free kick is usually given from the place where the offside player was when the ball was kicked (i.e. in City's half in this case). However, this is changing in the summer... The offside rule will be the same, but the free kick will be from where the player is when he's called offside, which could be in his own half.
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How fucking stupid is that because in the majority of cases it will disadvantage the defending team
 
Same as any offside: If the attacker is between the 1st (usually the keeper) and 2nd defender and in the opposition half when the ball is played and attempts to play the ball; then he is offside, irregardless of where the intended pass ends up. Its all to do with the attackers position when the ball is played, not when he goes to play the ball.
 
He wasn't offside in their half though, that's the point. He was offside in our half. I don't know where the resulting free kick was taken from, but it SHOULD have been taken from in our half where he was stood when the ball was kicked. He was active since it's surely just one phase of play. Nobody really knows when one phase begins and a new one starts, but it's difficult to argue that this was anything other than one single phase of play. It's just a ball being lumped forward.
 
That was an obvious offside - I shouted for it. In theory under the new rule from next season, the resulting free kick could be well into the defending team's half, even in the penalty area! It's been introduced to reduce confusion! - but that new rule will last only until a vital World Cup goal is scored from such a free kick.

The problem is almost philosophical - where does offside occur? It has never been an offence to be in an offside position, and all the tinkering is to redefine "interfering with play" and "interfering with an opponent" so as not to disallow goals where players weren't involved. So offside is only given when the player becomes offside - if the assistant waits till he plays the ball, just in case another attacker comes from onside to play it, he could be 40 yards from where he was when the ball was played. Current rule says offside should be given from where the player was in an offside position when the ball was played, not when he became offside, but at professional level the defending team usually just wants to get on with it. I suppose if a team wanted to waste time, they could insist on slowly getting the ball back to the offside position. The obvious change would have been to say take the free kick from where the player became offside, but on the half-way line if he's gone back in his own half (as the assistant will not be crossing the halfway line).

There were other incidents in the game. Free kick with four Stoke players in offside position bearing down on Hart but not close enough to him or the ball to be interfering. Then Navas off the pitch (so deemed to be in an offside position) comes on just as a Stoke defender slices his clearance and the assistant puts the flag up.
 
The resulting free kick should be taken from where the last defender is was always my understanding.

another explanation of why he was offside is was he gaining an advantage by his position.

A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee, involved in active play by:

  • interfering with play or
  • interfering with an opponent or
  • gaining an advantage by being in that position

Read more at http://www.thefa.com/football-rules...-11/law-11---offside.aspx#rRq8WzeYIryHVvOR.99
 
talkativesprout said:
The resulting free kick should be taken from where the last defender is was always my understanding.

another explanation of why he was offside is was he gaining an advantage by his position.

A player in an offside position is only penalised if, at the moment the ball touches or is played by one of his team, he is, in the opinion of the referee, involved in active play by:

  • interfering with play or
  • interfering with an opponent or
  • gaining an advantage by being in that position

Read more at http://www.thefa.com/football-rules...-11/law-11---offside.aspx#rRq8WzeYIryHVvOR.99
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Gaining an advantage has been tinkered with: it doesn't mean what most would mean, it's only used for rebounds (from opponent or post or bar)
 
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