JRockBlues
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The one thing I've not seen from this decision is if the heel of the defender being elevated has been taken into account. Migh have just made the difference for Eric being onside.
Offside judgement (Laporte v Wolves)
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In games against City.
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Yes it has because it’s calculated in a 3D space from fully calibrated cameras. It’s why they don’t have var at FA cup grounds outside the PL. it’s not just a case of bring a couple of cameras.
How offsides are determined by VAR
See how the Video Assistant Referee uses Hawk-Eye to make offside decisions
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Hardly a convincing argument then.
What you should have said is “I’ve never seen var offside lines in the 3 matches I’ve watched”.
What I think doesn't help, is watching them draw the lines in real time. Particularly when they draw a line to his shoulder, or the defender's heel, then move both back and forth, eventually reaching a decision. That inital and everything inbetween looks like it is timkering. Maybe if they did that off screen, and then showed it might feel less like some guy just playing pixel bingo while we all watch over his shoulder.
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OK, I've though about this a LOT.
It's clearly guesswork as to when the ball is played/touched (whether that is because of frame rate or frame manipulation is open to debate) and as such mathematically an error has been introduced at that point in the calculations, but because of this approximation as to when the ball is played an exact measurement CANNOT be made to the nearest mm if a player is offside or onside, it's mathematically impossible.
The laws indicate that the benefit of the doubt goes to the attacker.
So let's just forget all these ideas about new offside decisions being measured from where the feet/head etc are, as that's simply shifting the same flawed ideas of accuracy forward or backwards on the pitch, the same calculation errors will still occur and the same arguments will continue to blight the sport.
THE SIMPLE FIX IS THIS
...the VAR calculations with lines stay the same, freeze frame stays the same, BUT the way to fix it with the minimal introduction of new interpretations of laws etc. is that the line drawn for the defender is simply a thicker one (but still begins at the body part of the defender closest to the goal), and the line drawn for the attacker is a slimmer one (but still starts at the point on the attacker closest to the goal which he can use to score with), for arguments sake here, let's say the defender's line is 5x thicker than the attacker's line.
Tolerance has been introduced AND benefit of doubt has been given to the attacker.
If any part of the attacker's line falls behind or on the defender's line - ONSIDE.
If all of the attacker's line falls closer to the goal than the defender's line - OFFSIDE.
As others have also pointed out, for transparency the frames before and after need to be shown in the same level of detail as the one where the decision is made, but that's a secondary fix IMO.
It isn't by any means perfect and it's still open to a bit of PiGMol corruption regarding the choice of frame for when the decision is made, but it's the best I can come up with.
Assistant refs need to learn that it is NOT their job to flag for any tight offsides, as goals scored are scrutinised by VAR.
Thoughts? Are there any major flaws in my idea?
It's clearly guesswork as to when the ball is played/touched (whether that is because of frame rate or frame manipulation is open to debate) and as such mathematically an error has been introduced at that point in the calculations, but because of this approximation as to when the ball is played an exact measurement CANNOT be made to the nearest mm if a player is offside or onside, it's mathematically impossible.
The laws indicate that the benefit of the doubt goes to the attacker.
So let's just forget all these ideas about new offside decisions being measured from where the feet/head etc are, as that's simply shifting the same flawed ideas of accuracy forward or backwards on the pitch, the same calculation errors will still occur and the same arguments will continue to blight the sport.
THE SIMPLE FIX IS THIS
...the VAR calculations with lines stay the same, freeze frame stays the same, BUT the way to fix it with the minimal introduction of new interpretations of laws etc. is that the line drawn for the defender is simply a thicker one (but still begins at the body part of the defender closest to the goal), and the line drawn for the attacker is a slimmer one (but still starts at the point on the attacker closest to the goal which he can use to score with), for arguments sake here, let's say the defender's line is 5x thicker than the attacker's line.
Tolerance has been introduced AND benefit of doubt has been given to the attacker.
If any part of the attacker's line falls behind or on the defender's line - ONSIDE.
If all of the attacker's line falls closer to the goal than the defender's line - OFFSIDE.
As others have also pointed out, for transparency the frames before and after need to be shown in the same level of detail as the one where the decision is made, but that's a secondary fix IMO.
It isn't by any means perfect and it's still open to a bit of PiGMol corruption regarding the choice of frame for when the decision is made, but it's the best I can come up with.
Assistant refs need to learn that it is NOT their job to flag for any tight offsides, as goals scored are scrutinised by VAR.
Thoughts? Are there any major flaws in my idea?
with his sleeve!
Uwe`s Grandad
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At least we shouldn't have to worry about these type of decisions on Sunday.
It should be almost impossible to be offside with Easter island head in their defence ;-)
It should be almost impossible to be offside with Easter island head in their defence ;-)
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So now you’re allowed to score with your arm????
Fcuking joke!!
It should be part of the body you can score with. Simples as that!
Fcuking joke!!
It should be part of the body you can score with. Simples as that!