Opposition view: Everton

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I'm a bit confused by his 'I will also be honest though and say that the Premier league is now a 4 club competition, and that poses it's own dilema for the future of clubs like Everton' comment. Was it not just a 3 club competition before the Sheikh bought us?
 
My renegade Evertonian son could have written that. He has doubts about Roberto!! I think they'll do us at Goodison, and we'll struggle to overturn the deficit at The Etihad. If we're behind by more than one tomorrow I think it's 'Goodnight, Wembers'! I'm not so certain whether EFC fans would want to win 'cos my RES thinks that the DIppers are lined up for the pot! Come on you Stokies!!
 
ColinLee said:
I'm a bit confused by his 'I will also be honest though and say that the Premier league is now a 4 club competition, and that poses it's own dilema for the future of clubs like Everton' comment. Was it not just a 3 club competition before the Sheikh bought us?
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I think he meant that when it was a three club competition, there was always one Champions League place up for grabs (which Everton got twice). Our takeover effectively ended their hopes of finishing in the top four for the foreseeable future (although Chelsea's implosion this season has opened the door to others).
 
Ric said:
I think he meant that when it was a three club competition, there was always one Champions League place up for grabs (which Everton got twice). Our takeover effectively ended their hopes of finishing in the top four for the foreseeable future (although Chelsea's implosion this season has opened the door to others).
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Ahh, fair do's, makes more sense.
 
Everton are a strange team because on their day they can be very good. There's a lot of teams in that category in the Premiership now.Influx of TV money maybe
 
Ric said:
I think he meant that when it was a three club competition, there was always one Champions League place up for grabs (which Everton got twice). Our takeover effectively ended their hopes of finishing in the top four for the foreseeable future (although Chelsea's implosion this season has opened the door to others).
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He may have meant that, but would have been wrong. The "Sky four" dominated the Champions league places well before we became a force.
 
Murph said:
He may have meant that, but would have been wrong. The "Sky four" dominated the Champions league places well before we became a force.
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Hi folks.
My point about it being a 4 club competition is that there are now 4 clubs 'in my opinion' with a shout at winning the league, in Chelsea, United, Arsenal, and City. It wasn't necessarily a comment directed specifically at City or relevant to the top 4, nor was it a suggestion that things haven't been like that in the past.

The billionaires are truly in control, and it's not much consolation to find that the 2 other teams who have recently competed for top 4 status in Spurs and Liverpool are also owned by billionaires. I think Van Gaal has spent more since his arrival than Everton are valued as a club, and we're all aware about the spending power of City and Chelsea. We can go back 20 years since Blackburn won the title, otherwise all titles have been won by those 4 clubs.

This season is a bit crazy. I don't know if the standard of mid table sides has improved, or the top teams have gotten worse, (maybe both) but the league this year is very open.

I can't say more, as struggling to put words together as is, as absolutely shattered and not a good time to be discussing facts or opinions at 1.00am, but let me wish you well for our game, and all the best for the year.
 
A thoughtful, very fair article.

Martinez is a great ambassador for Everton but I can see how frustrated you are with his delivery.

Top 6 is a stretching but not unreasonable target for you guys.

Two wild cards: (a) the possible takeover, and (b) sounds like you have a number of promising youngsters to come through.

Good luck to you too, Kee, although not in the League Cup ;)
 
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Love Everton Forum said:
Hi folks.
My point about it being a 4 club competition is that there are now 4 clubs 'in my opinion' with a shout at winning the league, in Chelsea, United, Arsenal, and City. It wasn't necessarily a comment directed specifically at City or relevant to the top 4, nor was it a suggestion that things haven't been like that in the past.

The billionaires are truly in control, and it's not much consolation to find that the 2 other teams who have recently competed for top 4 status in Spurs and Liverpool are also owned by billionaires. I think Van Gaal has spent more since his arrival than Everton are valued as a club, and we're all aware about the spending power of City and Chelsea. We can go back 20 years since Blackburn won the title, otherwise all titles have been won by those 4 clubs.

This season is a bit crazy. I don't know if the standard of mid table sides has improved, or the top teams have gotten worse, (maybe both) but the league this year is very open.

I can't say more, as struggling to put words together as is, as absolutely shattered and not a good time to be discussing facts or opinions at 1.00am, but let me wish you well for our game, and all the best for the year.
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Fair do's bud. As regards Martinez I thought the rags made a mistake picking Moyes rather than him at the time although with hindsight I'm quite happy the way it worked out ;)

I'm looking forward to a good match tonight.
 
ColinLee said:
Fair do's bud. As regards Martinez I thought the rags made a mistake picking Moyes rather than him at the time although with hindsight I'm quite happy the way it worked out ;)

I'm looking forward to a good match tonight.
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I think their biggest mistake was not giving Moyes more time. Anybody that took over Ferguson was going to have to deal with the crash, and the ego's of players such as Ferdinand (ironically gone) was going to be a problem for any new manager. Ferguson got out at the right time, and in my opinion he looked at his team, and looked at the emergence of City, and bailed. Gone are the refereeing decisions that constantly suited Ferguson, and they now have to rely on performance, but it's a big transition. I look at their team, and often don't recognise players. This is because either they are low key signings or academy, or that I just have little interest in them anymore since they sacked Moyes, who I was very fond of. It would be inappropriate for me to be over critical of Martinez whilst writing under our websites name, but I'd love to be able to have a one on one with him, and question him, without allowing him to waffle around avoiding answering, like he does with the press. Do you remember when you used to ask your parents "How long?" and they would fob you off with the reply of "Soon" ? If we win the cup or not, my attitude towards Martinez wouldn't change. The league is the most important thing for me, and I think Martinez lacks the experience to succeed in it.
 
Love Everton Forum said:
I think their biggest mistake was not giving Moyes more time. Anybody that took over Ferguson was going to have to deal with the crash, and the ego's of players such as Ferdinand (ironically gone) was going to be a problem for any new manager. Ferguson got out at the right time, and in my opinion he looked at his team, and looked at the emergence of City, and bailed. Gone are the refereeing decisions that constantly suited Ferguson, and they now have to rely on performance, but it's a big transition. I look at their team, and often don't recognise players. This is because either they are low key signings or academy, or that I just have little interest in them anymore since they sacked Moyes, who I was very fond of. It would be inappropriate for me to be over critical of Martinez whilst writing under our websites name, but I'd love to be able to have a one on one with him, and question him, without allowing him to waffle around avoiding answering, like he does with the press. Do you remember when you used to ask your parents "How long?" and they would fob you off with the reply of "Soon" ? If we win the cup or not, my attitude towards Martinez wouldn't change. The league is the most important thing for me, and I think Martinez lacks the experience to succeed in it.
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Not a popular view, but I agree with this. Moyes was dealt a very raw deal IMO with no transfer budget and a prima-donna Rooney. Half a billion later, LVG has arguably done worse.
 
No transfer budget? Fellaini and Mata cost over £60m.

And if he had any sense he would have cashed in on Rooney.
 
Well, stage one complete, and we're still in the tie.
I thought City started well, and we looked a bit nervy, but we grew into the game and didn't really look back. A lack of concentration gave City the opportunity they'd been waiting for and they took it well, but a good response from our players. We might have scored a few more, but bottom line is we didn't. Look forward to the next game and hope you enjoyed yourselves last night.
 
Love Everton Forum said:
Well, stage one complete, and we're still in the tie.
I thought City started well, and we looked a bit nervy, but we grew into the game and didn't really look back. A lack of concentration gave City the opportunity they'd been waiting for and they took it well, but a good response from our players. We might have scored a few more, but bottom line is we didn't. Look forward to the next game and hope you enjoyed yourselves last night.
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Your guys left it all out there last night and as a fan thats all you can ask.

Should be a cracker of a 2nd leg.
 
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