Ownership and Managerial Changes

fbloke

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I've said before that I thought Mancini is the best man for the job at City and I now think that City should grab the chance for stability as other clubs flounder in rough seas.

With our stable owners, a settled manager and squad absolutely everything is falling into place for City to make massive strides next season.

According to rumours on the Arsenal forums if Wenger doesnt get the title he may very well be on his way. Add yo that the issues about who controls Arsenal and they could be much more vulnerable next season.

Liverpool are absolutely fecked and even today this is being talked about -

Juventus step up efforts for Rafa Benitez in battle with Real Madrid for Liverpool manager
By SPORTSMAIL REPORTER
Last updated at 12:44 PM on 13th April 2010

Juventus have stepped up their pursuit of Liverpool manager Rafa Benitez amid fears that Real Madrid will make the Spaniard a more tempting offer.
Reports in Turin claim Juve president Jean-Claude Blanc held a six-hour meeting in Milan on Monday with Benitez's agent Manuel Garcia Quilon to work through the detail of the Anfield boss's summer arrival.
However, Benitez is also greatly admired in Madrid, with one influential poll showing that the fans would rather have the 49-year-old than Jose Mourinho at the Bernabeu.

Is that the way to Turin? Rafa Benitez could be leaving Liverpool this summer
The Spanish giants' general director Jorge Valdano has given current coach Manuel Pellegrini the dreaded vote of confidence, but it is widely expected that the Chilean will be sacked at the end of the season unless he can win La Liga.
Newspaper Marca, which has close links to the club, named Benitez, Mourinho, Fabio Capello, Carlo Ancelotti and Luiz Felipe Scolari as the preferred candidates for the hot seat. The publication's poll of 100,000 readers has Liverpool's under-fire boss in top spot with nearly 40 per cent of the vote.
Sportsmail revealed in January that Juve were casting their eyes towards Merseyside when Ciro Ferrara's reign was coming to an ends.
The Serie A giants installed Alberto Zaccheroni as caretaker boss when it became apparent that their first choice would not join in mid-season, but the Italian veteran has not done enough to secure the job permanently and contact has continued with Benitez's camp.
Turin newspaper Tuttosport says a clause in the former Valencia boss's contract is a barrier to the deal, with claims that a £14million recision fee would have to be paid to Liverpool.
However, talks are said to be advancing to an extent that summer transfer targets have been discussed.
While attempts to sign Fernando Torres and Javier Mascherano may prove too ambitious, the name of Wolfsburg striker Edin Dzeko - a target for Chelsea and Manchester City - was also raised.

Frustration: Liverpool's failure to beat Fulham on Sunday means a fourth placed finish is looking increasingly distant
Benitez is facing up to the reality that Liverpool are unlikely to qualify for the Champions League next season, with victory in the Europa League a more achievable consolation prize.
Meanwhile, Madrid defender Sergio Ramos insisted his team-mates were still behind Pellegrini, despite the 2-0 weekend defeat by Barcelona that makes the Catalans clear favourites for the title.
'We are standing by Pellegrini through thick and thin and we always have done,' said the defender. 'He has our full support.'
But with England boss Capello tipped by some to return to Madrid, Ramos drew inspiration from the Italian's achievement of winning La Liga against the odds in 2007.
'This team will fight to the death to win this league,' said the vice-captain. 'We need to be at our strongest.
'Twenty-one points are still in play and they can drop points, so we need to win the seven remaining matches.
'The league we won with Capello appeared to be lost but we ended up winning it.'


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I heard Chelsea actually use Hiddink as a paid consultant to liaise between the owner, the manager and the players perhaps there are problems waiting to resurface there.

And we all know what is going on in Trafford.


STABILITY is all we need now and we have cracked it I reckon!
 
And here is a good piece on the Arsenal Situation but its rather long so might be better not to copy and paste?

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/mattslater/2010/04/no_change_in_arsenal_stock_sta.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/mattslater/2 ... k_sta.html</a>
 
fbloke said:
Juventus have stepped up their pursuit of Liverpool manager Rafa Benitez amid fears that Real Madrid will make the Spaniard a more tempting offer.

Hahaha

Really ? These two must bloody desperate if they think he would improve them, an awful manager, him leaving Liverpool would improve one of our rivals for top 4 next season.
 
cleavers said:
fbloke said:
Juventus have stepped up their pursuit of Liverpool manager Rafa Benitez amid fears that Real Madrid will make the Spaniard a more tempting offer.

Hahaha

Really ? These two must bloody desperate if they think he would improve them, an awful manager, him leaving Liverpool would improve one of our rivals for top 4 next season.

Its the mood of instability as much as anything that is the key dont you think?
 
fbloke said:
cleavers said:
Hahaha

Really ? These two must bloody desperate if they think he would improve them, an awful manager, him leaving Liverpool would improve one of our rivals for top 4 next season.

Its the mood of instability as much as anything that is the key dont you think?

Yes I agree, sorry I was laughing at the Daily Mail not you, but Liverpool will be improved by getting rid of Benitez was a serious point.
 
I think we need to start looking for stability on the pitch too. With our rapid improvement we have been forced to bring in loads of new players but the turnover of players has been very high and that is not conducive to a settled and winning team. We have the platform in place now, there's no need to go crazy in the summer.
 
fbloke said:
Its the mood of instability as much as anything that is the key dont you think?

You've touched on a very important point. Instability has always been our biggest problem in the past (managerial changes; ownership issues etc. from 1970 to 2008) and the reason more than anything else that we've not been as successsul as we ought to have been.

So... instability has a chance to disrupt Liverpool, Arsenal (both ownership) and United (fan protests). Unless Chelsea slip up, it could be that 5 years from now the two most stable clubs are City and Chelsea (plus another, Villa but they are close to creating their own issues as well).
 
cleavers said:
fbloke said:
Juventus have stepped up their pursuit of Liverpool manager Rafa Benitez amid fears that Real Madrid will make the Spaniard a more tempting offer.

Hahaha

Really ? These two must bloody desperate if they think he would improve them, an awful manager, him leaving Liverpool would improve one of our rivals for top 4 next season.

Weirdly Marca the Real Madrid daily had a reader's vote on five managers.

The results had Benitez 40 per cent, Mourinho 38, Capello 12, Scolari 6, Ancelotti 4.

So they obviously know there football. Benitez 10 times as many votes as Carlo!
 
cleavers said:
fbloke said:
Its the mood of instability as much as anything that is the key dont you think?

Yes I agree, sorry I was laughing at the Daily Mail not you, but Liverpool will be improved by getting rid of Benitez was a serious point.

Apology not needed I didnt take it personally ;-)

Its funny in a way that as I look at the league every other club seems to be getting a touch of the 'typical Cityitis'. The only club that isnt is City.

Come to think of it thats typical City as well ;-)
 
100% agree that stability is vital ..........However if Arsene Wenger was to leave Arsenal i would offer him a 10 year contract on huge money to come to us , what he has achieved at Arsenal no other manager would have been able to do especially considering their monetary restraints on wages and transfers .
 
CHT said:
100% agree that stability is vital ..........However if Arsene Wenger was to leave Arsenal i would offer him a 10 year contract on huge money to come to us , what he has achieved at Arsenal no other manager would have been able to do especially considering their monetary restraints on wages and transfers .

i pmsl at this mate sorry!
 
leewill31 said:
CHT said:
100% agree that stability is vital ..........However if Arsene Wenger was to leave Arsenal i would offer him a 10 year contract on huge money to come to us , what he has achieved at Arsenal no other manager would have been able to do especially considering their monetary restraints on wages and transfers .

i pmsl at this mate sorry!


Why ? Stability is fine ONCE youve got the best manager possible.
 
There are moments in football where the the balance shifts. In previous generations the shift has typically been from one club to another as the resources were more widely and evenly spread.

In this modern era we might see something that hasn't really happened before with 3 of the top clubs losing out at the same time.

But Liverpool could do a Leeds, the parallels are there - finance and ownership issues and a squad likely to be robbed of any talent to pay down debts. The lack of any real success and a focus on UCL.
 
robbieh said:
cleavers said:
Hahaha

Really ? These two must bloody desperate if they think he would improve them, an awful manager, him leaving Liverpool would improve one of our rivals for top 4 next season.

Weirdly Marca the Real Madrid daily had a reader's vote on five managers.

The results had Benitez 40 per cent, Mourinho 38, Capello 12, Scolari 6, Ancelotti 4.

So they obviously know there football. Benitez 10 times as many votes as Carlo!

No surprises really, not sure if you noticed but the "fat Spanish waiter" is the only Spaniard in the list of managers.
 
fbloke said:
But Liverpool could do a Leeds, the parallels are there - finance and ownership issues and a squad likely to be robbed of any talent to pay down debts. The lack of any real success and a focus on UCL.

I think Liverpool still have a history and heritage that will attract investors eventually (at a knock down price) but you are right that there could be a lot of pain ahead for them before that happens.

There are some significant issues surrounding Liverpool that would put off buyers, most significantly the stadium and its poor facilities (and its surroundings hardly help persuade potential buyers that their investment would be safe).

Winning the Europa League is vital to them in the short term, but that will only disguise some of the issues.
 
fbloke said:
I've said before that I thought Mancini is the best man for the job at City and I now think that City should grab the chance for stability as other clubs flounder in rough seas.

With our stable owners, a settled manager and squad absolutely everything is falling into place for City to make massive strides next season.

According to rumours on the Arsenal forums if Wenger doesnt get the title he may very well be on his way. Add yo that the issues about who controls Arsenal and they could be much more vulnerable next season.

Liverpool are absolutely fecked and even today this is being talked about -

Juventus step up efforts for Rafa Benitez in battle with Real Madrid for Liverpool manager
By SPORTSMAIL REPORTER
Last updated at 12:44 PM on 13th April 2010

Juventus have stepped up their pursuit of Liverpool manager Rafa Benitez amid fears that Real Madrid will make the Spaniard a more tempting offer.
Reports in Turin claim Juve president Jean-Claude Blanc held a six-hour meeting in Milan on Monday with Benitez's agent Manuel Garcia Quilon to work through the detail of the Anfield boss's summer arrival.
However, Benitez is also greatly admired in Madrid, with one influential poll showing that the fans would rather have the 49-year-old than Jose Mourinho at the Bernabeu.

Is that the way to Turin? Rafa Benitez could be leaving Liverpool this summer
The Spanish giants' general director Jorge Valdano has given current coach Manuel Pellegrini the dreaded vote of confidence, but it is widely expected that the Chilean will be sacked at the end of the season unless he can win La Liga.
Newspaper Marca, which has close links to the club, named Benitez, Mourinho, Fabio Capello, Carlo Ancelotti and Luiz Felipe Scolari as the preferred candidates for the hot seat. The publication's poll of 100,000 readers has Liverpool's under-fire boss in top spot with nearly 40 per cent of the vote.
Sportsmail revealed in January that Juve were casting their eyes towards Merseyside when Ciro Ferrara's reign was coming to an ends.
The Serie A giants installed Alberto Zaccheroni as caretaker boss when it became apparent that their first choice would not join in mid-season, but the Italian veteran has not done enough to secure the job permanently and contact has continued with Benitez's camp.
Turin newspaper Tuttosport says a clause in the former Valencia boss's contract is a barrier to the deal, with claims that a £14million recision fee would have to be paid to Liverpool.
However, talks are said to be advancing to an extent that summer transfer targets have been discussed.
While attempts to sign Fernando Torres and Javier Mascherano may prove too ambitious, the name of Wolfsburg striker Edin Dzeko - a target for Chelsea and Manchester City - was also raised.

Frustration: Liverpool's failure to beat Fulham on Sunday means a fourth placed finish is looking increasingly distant
Benitez is facing up to the reality that Liverpool are unlikely to qualify for the Champions League next season, with victory in the Europa League a more achievable consolation prize.
Meanwhile, Madrid defender Sergio Ramos insisted his team-mates were still behind Pellegrini, despite the 2-0 weekend defeat by Barcelona that makes the Catalans clear favourites for the title.
'We are standing by Pellegrini through thick and thin and we always have done,' said the defender. 'He has our full support.'
But with England boss Capello tipped by some to return to Madrid, Ramos drew inspiration from the Italian's achievement of winning La Liga against the odds in 2007.
'This team will fight to the death to win this league,' said the vice-captain. 'We need to be at our strongest.
'Twenty-one points are still in play and they can drop points, so we need to win the seven remaining matches.
'The league we won with Capello appeared to be lost but we ended up winning it.'


Read more: <a class="postlink" href...ilymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... z0kyvSGHuH</a>

I heard Chelsea actually use Hiddink as a paid consultant to liaise between the owner, the manager and the players perhaps there are problems waiting to resurface there.

And we all know what is going on in Trafford.


STABILITY is all we need now and we have cracked it I reckon!

Bravo Fb
 
Gary James said:
fbloke said:
But Liverpool could do a Leeds, the parallels are there - finance and ownership issues and a squad likely to be robbed of any talent to pay down debts. The lack of any real success and a focus on UCL.

I think Liverpool still have a history and heritage that will attract investors eventually (at a knock down price) but you are right that there could be a lot of pain ahead for them before that happens.

There are some significant issues surrounding Liverpool that would put off buyers, most significantly the stadium and its poor facilities (and its surroundings hardly help persuade potential buyers that their investment would be safe).

Winning the Europa League is vital to them in the short term, but that will only disguise some of the issues.

Totally agree Gary, not getting the champions league money is very significant, but will be offset by winning a european trophy in the eyes of potential investors. We shouldn't lose sight of that, because if they do get serious investment then they are right back in there. I do wonder though if their owners are too stubborn to work it all out ?
 
cleavers said:
Totally agree Gary, not getting the champions league money is very significant, but will be offset by winning a european trophy in the eyes of potential investors. We shouldn't lose sight of that, because if they do get serious investment then they are right back in there. I do wonder though if their owners are too stubborn to work it all out ?

Liverpool winning the Europa League would have an impact within Greater Manchester but more at United than City. If (and it's a big if) Liverpool win a European trophy this year and United fail to win the League then that will make Utd fans more restless.
 

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