Palestinian Boy Kidnapped and Murdered.

[scotty123]

and by association, hundreds if not thousands more Palestinians will die at the hands of Israeli aggression.

Have you ever stopped for one minute and thought that if Hamas came to it's senses and stopped hiding behind innocent Palestinians and giving out such rhetoric as the ceasefire proposals were an ''ambush'' and ''we will not negotiate on our knees'' bullshit and actually stopped firing rockets then innocents will have no need to die
They won't though because they are fucking cowards who don't give two shits about their own people just their warped dogma
Well now they have killed an Israeli citizen so Hamas will soon get to know the meaning of the old saying 'you live by the sword, you die by the sword', i pity any innocent Palestinian who gets injured or killed but they need to look at the militant Hamas people hiding in their houses or setting up a rocket launcher on their roof

And then what? Israel are the occupiers and oppressors here and the ones who need to offer an olive branch. Well in fact it is the Americans that need to bang Israeli heads together and get a peace agreement organised, which they could achieve in no time if it wasn't for the Jewish lobby in America who are far removed from any danger but have the money and power to influence events in the Middle East, much like the 'Irish' in America were able to fund the IRA until the American government banged heads together over Northern Ireland.

So you're another one who's of the opinion that might is right and if you're weak then that's just tough, be prepared to be trampled over? Gaza is actually a very small, densely populated strip of land and you can't expect combatants, no matter what we might think of them, to make themselves obvious targets. Everyone has the right to defend themselves against aggression, yes? It is a fact of life that, in this day and age, opponents can't just be exterminated.

If you poke a giant wasps nest often enough with a pointy stick then dont be surprised if the angry wasps use all their armoury to sting you only don't bleat to the rest of the world that you have stings on your arse once you have done it

 

[Plaything of the gods]

Have you ever stopped for one minute and thought that if Hamas came to it's senses and stopped hiding behind innocent Palestinians and giving out such rhetoric as the ceasefire proposals were an ''ambush'' and ''we will not negotiate on our knees'' bullshit and actually stopped firing rockets then innocents will have no need to die
They won't though because they are fucking cowards who don't give two shits about their own people just their warped dogma
Well now they have killed an Israeli citizen so Hamas will soon get to know the meaning of the old saying 'you live by the sword, you die by the sword', i pity any innocent Palestinian who gets injured or killed but they need to look at the militant Hamas people hiding in their houses or setting up a rocket launcher on their roof

And then what? Israel are the occupiers and oppressors here and the ones who need to offer an olive branch. Well in fact it is the Americans that need to bang Israeli heads together and get a peace agreement organised, which they could achieve in no time if it wasn't for the Jewish lobby in America who are far removed from any danger but have the money and power to influence events in the Middle East, much like the 'Irish' in America were able to fund the IRA until the American government banged heads together over Northern Ireland.

So you're another one who's of the opinion that might is right and if you're weak then that's just tough, be prepared to be trampled over? Gaza is actually a very small, densely populated strip of land and you can't expect combatants, no matter what we might think of them, to make themselves obvious targets. Everyone has the right to defend themselves against aggression, yes? It is a fact of life that, in this day and age, opponents can't just be exterminated.

If you poke a giant wasps nest often enough with a pointy stick then dont be surprised if the angry wasps use all their armoury to sting you only don't bleat to the rest of the world that you have stings on your arse once you have done it

You talking about the Palestinians or Israelis or both? ;)

 

[Barker]

and by association, hundreds if not thousands more Palestinians will die at the hands of Israeli aggression.

Have you ever stopped for one minute and thought that if Hamas came to it's senses and stopped hiding behind innocent Palestinians and giving out such rhetoric as the ceasefire proposals were an ''ambush'' and ''we will not negotiate on our knees'' bullshit and actually stopped firing rockets then innocents will have no need to die
They won't though because they are fucking cowards who don't give two shits about their own people just their warped dogma
Well now they have killed an Israeli citizen so Hamas will soon get to know the meaning of the old saying 'you live by the sword, you die by the sword', i pity any innocent Palestinian who gets injured or killed but they need to look at the militant Hamas people hiding in their houses or setting up a rocket launcher on their roof

And then what? Israel are the occupiers and oppressors here and the ones who need to offer an olive branch. Well in fact it is the Americans that need to bang Israeli heads together and get a peace agreement organised, which they could achieve in no time if it wasn't for the Jewish lobby in America who are far removed from any danger but have the money and power to influence events in the Middle East, much like the 'Irish' in America were able to fund the IRA until the American government banged heads together over Northern Ireland.

So you're another one who's of the opinion that might is right and if you're weak then that's just tough, be prepared to be trampled over? Gaza is actually a very small, densely populated strip of land and you can't expect combatants, no matter what we might think of them, to make themselves obvious targets. Everyone has the right to defend themselves against aggression, yes? It is a fact of life that, in this day and age, opponents can't just be exterminated.

I said it before and I'll say it again.

There's no solution here because the Palestinians cannot accept a Jewish state to exist. From the beginning Israel were more than happy to accept the land they were given and live in peace, but the Arab nations couldn't accept this. They wanted everything and still do. The only reason the Palestinians are treated the way they are isn't because Israel is an evil country, it's because the Palestinians are yet to prove they can live peacefully with Israel.

I truly feel for the innocent civilians of Gaza, but it's their own people that have put them in this mess, not Israel. Even the Egyptians know this.

 

[Skashion]

So why hasn't Egypt done this? Could it be because they're quite happy to see Israel inflict maximum possible damage on Hamas while ostensibly playing the honest broker?

Egypt's military government who engaged in a coup against the Muslim Brotherhood don't exactly have a great view of Hamas but if Israel was so inclined, they'd open up the border as they did in the past under Mubarak on the occasions when Israel eased restrictions. Israel has it within its power and certainly within its power to open up the sea border.

You know I have no sympathy with other Arab states in this equation. Not with Egypt, not with Syria, nor with Jordan. My sympathies are for the Palestinians, ethnically cleansed off their lands in 1947, denied a state by Egypt and Jordan between 1947 and 1967, occupied by Israel since 1967, massacred by Jordan in Black September in 1972... Strange that they have my sympathies. It's not like they've earned them is it?

 

[Barker]

So why hasn't Egypt done this? Could it be because they're quite happy to see Israel inflict maximum possible damage on Hamas while ostensibly playing the honest broker?

Egypt's military government who engaged in a coup against the Muslim Brotherhood don't exactly have a great view of Hamas but if Israel was so inclined, they'd open up the border as they did in the past under Mubarak on the occasions when Israel eased restrictions. Israel has it within its power and certainly within its power to open up the sea border.

You know I have no sympathy with other Arab states in this equation. Not with Egypt, not with Syria, nor with Jordan. My sympathies are for the Palestinians, ethnically cleansed off their lands in 1947, denied a state by Egypt and Jordan between 1947 and 1967, occupied by Israel since 1967, massacred by Jordan in Black September in 1972... Strange that they have my sympathies. It's not like they've earned them is it?

They were offered a state in 1948 and decided they wanted it all and went to war with Israel and lost.

 

[Plaything of the gods]

Have you ever stopped for one minute and thought that if Hamas came to it's senses and stopped hiding behind innocent Palestinians and giving out such rhetoric as the ceasefire proposals were an ''ambush'' and ''we will not negotiate on our knees'' bullshit and actually stopped firing rockets then innocents will have no need to die
They won't though because they are fucking cowards who don't give two shits about their own people just their warped dogma
Well now they have killed an Israeli citizen so Hamas will soon get to know the meaning of the old saying 'you live by the sword, you die by the sword', i pity any innocent Palestinian who gets injured or killed but they need to look at the militant Hamas people hiding in their houses or setting up a rocket launcher on their roof

And then what? Israel are the occupiers and oppressors here and the ones who need to offer an olive branch. Well in fact it is the Americans that need to bang Israeli heads together and get a peace agreement organised, which they could achieve in no time if it wasn't for the Jewish lobby in America who are far removed from any danger but have the money and power to influence events in the Middle East, much like the 'Irish' in America were able to fund the IRA until the American government banged heads together over Northern Ireland.

So you're another one who's of the opinion that might is right and if you're weak then that's just tough, be prepared to be trampled over? Gaza is actually a very small, densely populated strip of land and you can't expect combatants, no matter what we might think of them, to make themselves obvious targets. Everyone has the right to defend themselves against aggression, yes? It is a fact of life that, in this day and age, opponents can't just be exterminated.

I said it before and I'll say it again.

There's no solution here because the Palestinians cannot accept a Jewish state to exist. From the beginning Israel were more than happy to accept the land they were given and live in peace, but the Arab nations couldn't accept this. They wanted everything and still do. The only reason the Palestinians are treated the way they are isn't because Israel is an evil country, it's because the Palestinians are yet to prove they can live peacefully with Israel.

I truly feel for the innocent civilians of Gaza, but it's their own people that have put them in this mess, not Israel. Even the Egyptians know this.

There we go again. Blame the victim for being a victim. Why should the Palestinians accept eviction from their own land?

Now, if some foreigners came along and evicted you and all your neighbours from your nice houses I'm sure you would... well, what would you do?

 

[Barker]

And then what? Israel are the occupiers and oppressors here and the ones who need to offer an olive branch. Well in fact it is the Americans that need to bang Israeli heads together and get a peace agreement organised, which they could achieve in no time if it wasn't for the Jewish lobby in America who are far removed from any danger but have the money and power to influence events in the Middle East, much like the 'Irish' in America were able to fund the IRA until the American government banged heads together over Northern Ireland.

So you're another one who's of the opinion that might is right and if you're weak then that's just tough, be prepared to be trampled over? Gaza is actually a very small, densely populated strip of land and you can't expect combatants, no matter what we might think of them, to make themselves obvious targets. Everyone has the right to defend themselves against aggression, yes? It is a fact of life that, in this day and age, opponents can't just be exterminated.

I said it before and I'll say it again.

There's no solution here because the Palestinians cannot accept a Jewish state to exist. From the beginning Israel were more than happy to accept the land they were given and live in peace, but the Arab nations couldn't accept this. They wanted everything and still do. The only reason the Palestinians are treated the way they are isn't because Israel is an evil country, it's because the Palestinians are yet to prove they can live peacefully with Israel.

I truly feel for the innocent civilians of Gaza, but it's their own people that have put them in this mess, not Israel. Even the Egyptians know this.

There we go again. Blame the victim for being a victim. Why should the Palestinians accept eviction from their own land?

Now, if some foreigners came along and evicted you and all your neighbours from your nice houses I'm sure you would... well, what would you do?

Their own land? Care to explain?

 

[scotty123]

And then what? Israel are the occupiers and oppressors here and the ones who need to offer an olive branch. Well in fact it is the Americans that need to bang Israeli heads together and get a peace agreement organised, which they could achieve in no time if it wasn't for the Jewish lobby in America who are far removed from any danger but have the money and power to influence events in the Middle East, much like the 'Irish' in America were able to fund the IRA until the American government banged heads together over Northern Ireland.

So you're another one who's of the opinion that might is right and if you're weak then that's just tough, be prepared to be trampled over? Gaza is actually a very small, densely populated strip of land and you can't expect combatants, no matter what we might think of them, to make themselves obvious targets. Everyone has the right to defend themselves against aggression, yes? It is a fact of life that, in this day and age, opponents can't just be exterminated.

If you poke a giant wasps nest often enough with a pointy stick then dont be surprised if the angry wasps use all their armoury to sting you only don't bleat to the rest of the world that you have stings on your arse once you have done it

You talking about the Palestinians or Israelis or both? ;)

Everybody, even Hitler poked the Soviet nest and got badly stung

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

So why hasn't Egypt done this? Could it be because they're quite happy to see Israel inflict maximum possible damage on Hamas while ostensibly playing the honest broker?

Egypt's military government who engaged in a coup against the Muslim Brotherhood don't exactly have a great view of Hamas but if Israel was so inclined, they'd open up the border as they did in the past under Mubarak on the occasions when Israel eased restrictions. Israel has it within its power and certainly within its power to open up the sea border.

You know I have no sympathy with other Arab states in this equation. Not with Egypt, not with Syria, nor with Jordan. My sympathies are for the Palestinians, ethnically cleansed off their lands in 1947, denied a state by Egypt and Jordan between 1947 and 1967, occupied by Israel since 1967, massacred by Jordan in Black September in 1972... Strange that they have my sympathies. It's not like they've earned them is it?

I do know. Jordan killed more Palestinians than Israel has. And you can't be surprised that the Jews, massacred and exiled by the Romans in 70AD, massacred by Christians in the Dark Ages, expelled by the Inquisition, subject to pogroms in Eastern Europe and ethnically cleansed from Arab and North African countries over the last 80-90 years have mine and others' sympathies can you?

That doesn't mean I have no sympathy for the Palestinians and you also know I don't hold much truck with the Israeli response to the issue.

 

[Skashion]

They were offered a state in 1948 and decided they wanted it all and went to war with Israel and lost.

They were offered land taken off them in their view, both legally and in reality as it was Arabs who worked the land and lived on it. You're acting like they were offered something. No, they already had it. They were offered it being taken off them. Only an idiot wouldn't understand that view.

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The Palestinians didn't go to war, the Arabs states did. However, and what you frequently never mention, probably because you lack the knowledge of it is that before the war even started 300,000 Arabs fled the land mostly because of terror attacks from the Haganah, Irgun and Lehi. Have you heard of the Deir Yassin massacre? It wouldn't surprise me if you hadn't actually. That happened before the war started you know.

The Haganah, the forerunner of the IDF was perfectly happy to take credit for ethnic cleansing:

At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations.

The Emigration of the Arabs of Palestine in the Period 1/12/1947 – 1/6/1948

That is, a report from the IDF, yes, the IDF admitted causing over 150,000 Arabs to flee before the war started as a result of their operations. To that was added 15% by the Irgun and the Lehi. 2% due to direct expulsion orders. 1% psychological warfare. So 73% down essentially to deliberate actions meant to cause fear, intimidation and terror by Jewish forces. 22% was then attributed to an Arab crisis of confidence and general fear. Meaning, the intelligence services of the IDF estimated that the calls by Arab leaders were reckoned to be the cause of only 5% of the exodus. 95% of the Palestinians were victims of terror or fears i.e. legitimate refugees.