Palestinian Boy Kidnapped and Murdered.

[Skashion]

I do know. Jordan killed more Palestinians than Israel has. And you can't be surprised that the Jews, massacred and exiled by the Romans in 70AD, massacred by Christians in the Dark Ages, expelled by the Inquisition, subject to pogroms in Eastern Europe and ethnically cleansed from Arab and North African countries over the last 80-90 years have mine and others' sympathies can you?

That doesn't mean I have no sympathy for the Palestinians and you also know I don't hold much truck with the Israeli response to the issue.

I accept fully the need for a Jewish state. The thing is, they have it. The Jewish state exists and will continue to exist until the Jews themselves say we don't need a state for self-protection anymore. If the Jews did not have a state, my sympathies would be far more divided. A great historical injustice in the persecution of the Jews has been corrected and it makes me happy that the Jews now have somewhere they can feel safe from pogroms and inquisitions and where they can live with a liberty and freedom of opportunity they've never had before. However, this is being denied the Palestinians, and it is currently being denied not by Egypt, Jordan or Syria but by Israel who continue to occupy the Palestinians and inflict many of the same injustices the Jews had to ensure for far too long.

 

[Barker]

I'm done with this. I've got better things to do than waste my day arguing with a bunch of strangers on the internet that refuse to acknowledge both sides of the debate, make up lies and belittle anyone for saying anything remotely pro-Israel. We're just going round in circles with no direction.

FREE GAZA...FROM HAMAS RULE!

FUCK HAMAS!!!

 

[scotty123]

This thread is going round and round again, i'm out

Hopefully a peaceful solution can be found

Now then wheres the Yaya thread

 

[dazdon]

I suppose the real question is "Will the experiment of creating an Israeli state work in the long run?".

Personally I have little faith in the conflict ever stopping.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

I'm done with this. I've got better things to do than waste my day arguing with a bunch of strangers on the internet that refuse to acknowledge both sides of the debate, make up lies and belittle anyone that saying anything remotely pro-Israel. We're just going round in circles with no direction.

FREE GAZA...FROM HAMAS RULE!

FUCK HAMAS!!!

[video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yy9Y9guPdI[/video]

 

[i kne albert davy]

So why did the people vote in Hitler/Hamas? What did he/they promise them that the other options didn't?

Hitler promised work and bread and the chance for the Germanic race to dominate the World and instead brought death and destruction, what Hamas promised I've no idea you'll have to enlighten me but the death and destruction seems to have arrived sadly.

Dignity for their people in the face of their oppressors I'd say - for both of them. The Israelis created Hamas by their treatment of the Palestinians just as the allies created Hitler's Nazis by the terms of the Treaty of Versailles.

The last thing any sane minded person would think of was Hitler bringing any form of dignity to the German people,I'll agree that the Allied terms (mainly at the French bequest) imposed on Germany allowed National socialism to flourish but if the allies had been prepared to use force in 1936 then Hitler's evil could had been stopped.
Regarding Hamas the Palestinian people must be fairly desperate to elect them or truly scared of them, I don't know what the answer is, I do know its not to fire lethal rockets into Israel nor is bombing the shit out of Gaza. It seems there's to little land for too many people of different ideologies for a simple solution. How would you settle it avoiding bloodshed if neither side's prepared to bend, I'm sure Israel isn't going to give up it's security unless forced and the Palestinian's lack the force. and even if they did it would just lead to greater slaughter,

 

[dawlish dave]

Hitler promised work and bread and the chance for the Germanic race to dominate the World and instead brought death and destruction, what Hamas promised I've no idea you'll have to enlighten me but the death and destruction seems to have arrived sadly.

Dignity for their people in the face of their oppressors I'd say - for both of them. The Israelis created Hamas by their treatment of the Palestinians just as the allies created Hitler's Nazis by the terms of the Treaty of Versailles.

The last thing any sane minded person would think of was Hitler bringing any form of dignity to the German people,I'll agree that the Allied terms (mainly at the French bequest) imposed on Germany allowed National socialism to flourish but if the allies had been prepared to use force in 1936 then Hitler's evil could had been stopped.
Regarding Hamas the Palestinian people must be fairly desperate to elect them or truly scared of them, I don't know what the answer is, I do know its not to fire lethal rockets into Israel nor is bombing the shit out of Gaza. It seems there's to little land for too many people of different ideologies for a simple solution. How would you settle it avoiding bloodshed if neither side's prepared to bend, I'm sure Israel isn't going to give up it's security unless forced and the Palestinian's lack the force. and even if they did it would just lead to greater slaughter,

Well Albert you must have attended a blooby good Uni to talk such sense. After the abuse on this thread this afternoon my faith in the common man is restored

 

[dawlish dave]

Hitler promised work and bread and the chance for the Germanic race to dominate the World and instead brought death and destruction, what Hamas promised I've no idea you'll have to enlighten me but the death and destruction seems to have arrived sadly.

Dignity for their people in the face of their oppressors I'd say - for both of them. The Israelis created Hamas by their treatment of the Palestinians just as the allies created Hitler's Nazis by the terms of the Treaty of Versailles.

The last thing any sane minded person would think of was Hitler bringing any form of dignity to the German people,I'll agree that the Allied terms (mainly at the French bequest) imposed on Germany allowed National socialism to flourish but if the allies had been prepared to use force in 1936 then Hitler's evil could had been stopped.
Regarding Hamas the Palestinian people must be fairly desperate to elect them or truly scared of them, I don't know what the answer is, I do know its not to fire lethal rockets into Israel nor is bombing the shit out of Gaza. It seems there's to little land for too many people of different ideologies for a simple solution. How would you settle it avoiding bloodshed if neither side's prepared to bend, I'm sure Israel isn't going to give up it's security unless forced and the Palestinian's lack the force. and even if they did it would just lead to greater slaughter,

Well Albert you must have attended a blooby good Uni to talk such sense. After the abuse on this thread this afternoon my faith in the common man is restored.

 

[i kne albert davy]

I do know. Jordan killed more Palestinians than Israel has. And you can't be surprised that the Jews, massacred and exiled by the Romans in 70AD, massacred by Christians in the Dark Ages, expelled by the Inquisition, subject to pogroms in Eastern Europe and ethnically cleansed from Arab and North African countries over the last 80-90 years have mine and others' sympathies can you?

That doesn't mean I have no sympathy for the Palestinians and you also know I don't hold much truck with the Israeli response to the issue.

I accept fully the need for a Jewish state. The thing is, they have it. The Jewish state exists and will continue to exist until the Jews themselves say we don't need a state for self-protection anymore. If the Jews did not have a state, my sympathies would be far more divided. A great historical injustice in the persecution of the Jews has been corrected and it makes me happy that the Jews now have somewhere they can feel safe from pogroms and inquisitions and where they can live with a liberty and freedom of opportunity they've never had before. However, this is being denied the Palestinians, and it is currently being denied not by Egypt, Jordan or Syria but by Israel who continue to occupy the Palestinians and inflict many of the same injustices the Jews had to ensure for far too long.

This would seem to be the sensible course of action to give the Palestinians their own state, but could the Palestinians and Israeli's even share a border together without having a pop at each another, would it be possible to put a U.N. force between them without making them target's from both side's eventually.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I do know. Jordan killed more Palestinians than Israel has. And you can't be surprised that the Jews, massacred and exiled by the Romans in 70AD, massacred by Christians in the Dark Ages, expelled by the Inquisition, subject to pogroms in Eastern Europe and ethnically cleansed from Arab and North African countries over the last 80-90 years have mine and others' sympathies can you?

That doesn't mean I have no sympathy for the Palestinians and you also know I don't hold much truck with the Israeli response to the issue.

I accept fully the need for a Jewish state. The thing is, they have it. The Jewish state exists and will continue to exist until the Jews themselves say we don't need a state for self-protection anymore. If the Jews did not have a state, my sympathies would be far more divided. A great historical injustice in the persecution of the Jews has been corrected and it makes me happy that the Jews now have somewhere they can feel safe from pogroms and inquisitions and where they can live with a liberty and freedom of opportunity they've never had before. However, this is being denied the Palestinians, and it is currently being denied not by Egypt, Jordan or Syria but by Israel who continue to occupy the Palestinians and inflict many of the same injustices the Jews had to ensure for far too long.

I can't find much, if anything, to argue about in that reply.