Paul Pogba

[Ragz2Riche$]

Who cares, completely overrated and Raiola is absolutely bending them over on these deals. They're never going to be able to sell enough AONs and Chevrolets to pay this one off. Should be embarrassed to have to spend 150m for a player they could have had for nothing.

 

[BLUE THUNDER]

He is overated, no doubt. He will however improve them significantly as much as it hurts me to say. That is the quality of player we should be buying if we want to win it all and we need to accept that the cost will be inflated. If we start looking for "bargains" we are just an inflated version of Arsenal. We need a "crack" player as Pelegrini used to say. Barca, R Madrid and Rags all buy this level of player and we have to do the same if we are to compete at the same level.If not this summer then next summer we have to make a similar statement

 

[Silva_Spell]

Close control and intelligence aren't his strong points.
I'd suggest that is why Pep doesn't want to chuck a £100m transfer fee, a huge agent fee and £250k a week on him.

I'd rather spend that kind of money on 2 prime world class players like Kroos and Bonucci who can slot into Pep's vision right away. Do that and a Mourinho Utd won't be a factor for long. If he doesn't win the PL in his first 2 seasons, and esp. if it's us/Pep lifting it on both occasions, it'll be meltdown/p45 time. It's not as if we aren't signing young players at all.

Obviously the destinies of Kroos, Bonucci could well be tied to Pogba's but the point stands, just with other players

 

[TexasCityzen]

Obviously the destinies of Kroos, Bonucci could well be tied to Pogba's but the point stands, just with other players

Would seem awfully mourinho to go after pogba, simply because he knows it completely destroys his prime competitor's chance of gaining 2 world class players (Kroos & Bonucci).

I know that sounds ridiculous. Just pissing about. Pogba is obviously a talent that would improve most teams. I'm just bitter. I don't want them to even be linked with players of that caliber.

 

[Akiva]

Would seem awfully mourinho to go after pogba, simply because he knows it completely destroys his prime competitor's chance of gaining 2 world class players (Kroos & Bonucci).

I know that sounds ridiculous. Just pissing about. Pogba is obviously a talent that would improve most teams. I'm just bitter. I don't want them to even be linked with players of that caliber.

You're overthinking things. Mourinho's game never changes, it's the three year plan - year 1 he buys the bus, year 2 he parks the bus, year 3 he throws the club under the bus.

Here we are and Mou has made a number of flashy signings that smack of "win now, consequences later" and crushing the world transfer record for Pogba is just part of it. Is Pogba better than MSN and Bale? That's another issue, but it will, along with restructuring player salaries, tie up United's finances for the foreseeable future.

Meanwhile Pep made no bones about what he wants - a team, system and ethos that transform the club long term.

For what it's worth, I don't think this destroys our chances of getting Kroos or Bonucci at all.
Kroos - does he want to come here? He's had every opportunity to show that he doesn't, as with Bayern, but on the contrary always appears open to it. Trigger his release clause then offer him doubled wages to reunite with pep.
Bonucci - I'm not convinced Juve will sell him even if they keep Pogba, but if they do it's because of financial concerns and maximising their return on a 29 year old CB. i don't think they want to do it regardless though.

Who knows? Maybe we'll get one or both anyway, don't underestimate the draw of Pep or perhaps we will pick off a few replacements like Thiago etc.

 

[SWP's back]

I hope we are not going to subsidise the bulk of RM's Pogba bid, significantly overpaying for Kroos, to stop the rags getting Pogba?

I certainly don't want the rags to get Pogba, but FFP still seems our biggest constraint with new signings.

Ideally, would rather we competed and signed Pogba ourselves. If this is not possible then we should only pay the market rate for Kroos.

All too often we seem to pay a huge "City tax" with our acquisitions, and buying clubs expect incredible bargains with our sales.

it really really isn't.

 

[GeorgeHeslop'sTackle.]

Would seem awfully mourinho to go after pogba, simply because he knows it completely destroys his prime competitor's chance of gaining 2 world class players (Kroos & Bonucci).

I know that sounds ridiculous. Just pissing about. Pogba is obviously a talent that would improve most teams. I'm just bitter. I don't want them to even be linked with players of that caliber.

Doesn't sound ridiculous at all mate.

Which is why, I too, would be very unhappy to see Pogba join the scum.... Even if Pep has deemed him surplus to requirements.

Particularly if it's gonna stop us getting Kroos/Bonucci.

Each close season, when they were in the ascendency, in the 70's & 80's, the red dippers would always sign the best 2 or 3 players, from which ever teams that they considered would pose the most threat to them the following year. Even if they weren't good enough to go straight into the first team, it still left their nearest challengers weaker & less effective.

We seem to be on pretty good terms with Real, at the moment, I'm sure there must be a way we can "help" them to get the deal done. Particularly if that's where Pogba really wants to go.

True, We don't get him, but neither would Maureen.... Job Done!!

 

[Plain Speaking]

it really really isn't.

If not FFP then what?

 

[BlueMoonz1977]

Close control and intelligence aren't his strong points.
I'd suggest that is why Pep doesn't want to chuck a £100m transfer fee, a huge agent fee and £250k a week on him.

I'd rather spend that kind of money on 2 prime world class players like Kroos and Bonucci who can slot into Pep's vision right away. Do that and a Mourinho Utd won't be a factor for long. If he doesn't win the PL in his first 2 seasons, and esp. if it's us/Pep lifting it on both occasions, it'll be meltdown/p45 time. It's not as if we aren't signing young players at all.

Obviously the destinies of Kroos, Bonucci could well be tied to Pogba's but the point stands, just with other players

Was going to post the same....£100m on Pogba no thanks, bring in 2 quality players yes please.

You're overthinking things. Mourinho's game never changes, it's the three year plan - year 1 he buys the bus, year 2 he parks the bus, year 3 he throws the club under the bus.

Here we are and Mou has made a number of flashy signings that smack of "win now, consequences later" and crushing the world transfer record for Pogba is just part of it. Is Pogba better than MSN and Bale? That's another issue, but it will, along with restructuring player salaries, tie up United's finances for the foreseeable future.

Meanwhile Pep made no bones about what he wants - a team, system and ethos that transform the club long term.

For what it's worth, I don't think this destroys our chances of getting Kroos or Bonucci at all.
Kroos - does he want to come here? He's had every opportunity to show that he doesn't, as with Bayern, but on the contrary always appears open to it. Trigger his release clause then offer him doubled wages to reunite with pep.
Bonucci - I'm not convinced Juve will sell him even if they keep Pogba, but if they do it's because of financial concerns and maximising their return on a 29 year old CB. i don't think they want to do it regardless though.

Who knows? Maybe we'll get one or both anyway, don't underestimate the draw of Pep or perhaps we will pick off a few replacements like Thiago etc.

Totally agree Akiva, that is his ethos and not long term planning.

 

[Goater=Legend]

I trust Pep on this. He has a system he wants to play and it's obvious that Pogba doesn't fit into it.

The window closes at the end of August. Would people stop flapping.

 

[Phil1]

Jesus, I wouldn't fancy being in the trenches with some of the soft arses posting on here last night.

 

[FantasyIreland]

Jesus, I wouldn't fancy being in the trenches with some of the soft arses posting on here last night.

Trenches? i wouldnt even want them watching my back in a bun fight.

 

[Phil1]

Trenches? i wouldnt even want them watching my back in a bun fight.

They'd be worried that utd have the better, more expensive buns and run for their lives. Bless'em.

 

[Ashleymcduff]

Pogba thinks he's Roy of the rovers on the pitch and Kanye west off it.

Bad attitude and playboy lifestyle don't work rememember Mario???

Too frustrating and be bad influence on the team.

Remember peps interview the other day??

He wants players to be good team mates and work for each other
Pogba is all about himself and money
Be a good fit over at the swamp with big ego and big nose

 

[richards30]

anyone who isn't arsed about pogba going to the rags is deluded!! no way kroos will be leaving Madrid if pogba goes to the vermin and if our midfield stays the same for next season then we will get overrun again! fucking hate them red fuckers!

 

[Phil1]

anyone who isn't arsed about pogba going to the rags is deluded!! no way kroos will be leaving Madrid if pogba goes to the vermin and if our midfield stays the same for next season then we will get overrun again! fucking hate them red fuckers!

What's deluded about having faith in what City are doing and not worrying about them?
We've already improved ten fold and haven't even started to spend yet.
Not that Pogba is going there - that's where the delusion lies.

 

[Tugay One Cup]

Pogba thinks he's Roy of the rovers on the pitch and Kanye west off it.

Bad attitude and playboy lifestyle don't work rememember Mario???

Too frustrating and be bad influence on the team.

Pogba is all about himself and money
Be a good fit over at the swamp with big ego and big nose

Maybe my head's buried in the sand but I haven't seen any examples of a playboy lifestyle.

Comparisons with Balotelli are laughable. Comparisons with Kanye West are baffling.

And what's with this bad influence bullshit? As far as I can tell, he's played an important part in getting his national team to the semi final of Euro 2016 and Juventus winning back to back Scudettos. What a terrible influence he must be.

It's the haircuts isn't it?

 

[richards30]

What's deluded about having faith in what City are doing and not worrying about them?
We've already improved ten fold and haven't even started to spend yet.
Not that Pogba is going there - that's where the delusion lies.

because we seem petrified at making THAT leap at times and going big? yes we went big on de bruyne who has been amazing but could have had a season like raheem did and everyone would be wingeing about the fee like they do with sterling?? of course we have faith in pep but it seems we may have got ourselves in a pickle regarding trying to shift players like yaya on huge wages? we have chased pogba hard for two years now according to @tolmie's hairdoo so it shouldn't have been a shock to us this summer what the price and wages etc were for him? and on the theory we were buying last summer for pep coming in then surely pep asked for pogba as well? why would he change his mind this summer?

 

[YaYa's Left Peg]

What's deluded about having faith in what City are doing and not worrying about them?
We've already improved ten fold and haven't even started to spend yet.
Not that Pogba is going there - that's where the delusion lies.

I posted something the other day which came over as obsessing over them and dissmissing us - although that was never my true intention.

On reflection I regret that now. You are absolutely right - it is exactly about having faith in what City are doing. We have in my opinion the World's best manager (everything I've seen about him up to now just re-affirms that view), the World's best owners, and a squad that is full of quality and will be improved with youth and experience if even half the rumoured signings come-off.

If Pogba goes to that lot (and like you I'm not convinced), then that says a heck of a lot about him and his rat of an agent. So fuck 'em.

Viva la Pep.

 

[Akiva]

anyone who isn't arsed about pogba going to the rags is deluded!! no way kroos will be leaving Madrid if pogba goes to the vermin and if our midfield stays the same for next season then we will get overrun again! fucking hate them red fuckers!

Careful not to piss your pants there soldier, the transfer window isn't even over yet.

I think the chances of Kroos leaving Madrid are somewhat diminished in the event Pogba doesn't go there, but not completely erased.

We've already upgraded our stacked midfield with Ilkay Gundogan and one would expect a return to form from the likes of David Silva, particularly under Pep. Possession will be the least of our worries this year, I assure you.

Maybe my head's buried in the sand but I haven't seen any examples of a playboy lifestyle.

Comparisons with Balotelli are laughable. Comparisons with Kanye West are baffling.

And what's with this bad influence bullshit? As far as I can tell, he's played an important part in getting his national team to the semi final of Euro 2016 and Juventus winning back to back Scudettos. What a terrible influence he must be.

It's the haircuts isn't it?

To be fair, Pogba doesn't really have such a playboy lifestyle off the pitch at all, he's quite well behaved.

On the pitch however, he's selfish, egotistical and isn't best suited to squad-based tactics. Regardless of how much Pep employs tiki taka, it is a major part of his game and Pogba simply doesn't fit well with this style.

I feel the attacks on Pogba personally are - inappropriate, as we really don't need him, premature, as the rags haven't signed him yet and silly because ultimately Pep will fashion a better, stronger and longer lasting team.

because we seem petrified at making THAT leap at times and going big? yes we went big on de bruyne who has been amazing but could have had a season like raheem did and everyone would be wingeing about the fee like they do with sterling?? of course we have faith in pep but it seems we may have got ourselves in a pickle regarding trying to shift players like yaya on huge wages? we have chased pogba hard for two years now according to @tolmie's hairdoo so it shouldn't have been a shock to us this summer what the price and wages etc were for him? and on the theory we were buying last summer for pep coming in then surely pep asked for pogba as well? why would he change his mind this summer?

We could have Pogba if we wanted, so could Real Madrid. If Pogba goes to United it's only because neither we nor Real wanted him. That's it.

Shifting Yaya is hardly our fault, he had a remarkably poor year (as did many of our players) and few are willing to take a gamble on him finding form again with the exorbitant wages he remains on. As for why Pep changed his mind? Who knows, other than Pep? We need to trust that Pep is, right now, doing what he does better than any other manager around - build a winner. All the better if we get a Kroos or Thiago, but even if we don't you should have confidence that Pep isn't going to let that deter him.