Peace and justice project

History will remember him as an embarrassment.

A pensioner playing sixth form politics who achieved nothing but making antisemitism fashionable again.

I think he'll be remembered akin to and probably worse than Michael Foot i.e. as a lesson to future Labour Party leaders that if you care more about a sect of your own party rather than the views of the country, you face electoral oblivion. That lesson will no doubt be forgotten yet again by the 2052 leadership election when Labour members vote for 77 year old Lord Burgon.
 
I think he'll be remembered akin to and probably worse than Michael Foot i.e. as a lesson to future Labour Party leaders that if you care more about a sect of your own party rather than the views of the country, you face electoral oblivion. That lesson will no doubt be forgotten yet again by the 2052 leadership election when Labour members vote for 77 year old Lord Burgon.
No way is Corbyn remotely akin to Michael Foot, who was a decent and honourable man, as well as an intellectual giant. Not a leader possibly and when he was, it was entirely at the wrong time, with Thatcherism at its peak.

Foot was also a very critical friend of Israel and a professed admirer of the Jewish people and what they'd brought to British culture and society. He could see both sides of the Israeli/Arab argument and, in complete contrast to Corbyn, passionately opposed those who hid their antisemitism behind the label of 'anti-Zionism. Foot would never in a million years have talked about British Zionists lacking a sense of English irony.
 
Perhaps (although I disagree) but the point is, when Corbyn says and 'peace and justice', he means it in reference to one kind of person - somebody who has or has been alleged to have attacked Western interests or civilians.

Look at the other examples in the article I linked e.g. the way he described the killing of Bin Laden - a 'tragedy'. To me, a tragedy is when somebody flies an airliner into a building or when a teacher gets beheaded for teaching freedom of expression. But Corbyn didn't say a word about the Samuel Paty beheading (nor did virtually anybody in the Labour Party), and never speaks out about your average non-political miscarriages of justice cases let alone speaks out in cases where British interests have been targeted.

We saw that with the Skripal poisonings. When every other political leader (including Sturgeon) and every other Western country condemned the actions of Russia and Putin, Corbyn's sense of justice went out the window because, for him, peace and justice has always been a one-way street and always will be.

I expect this 'project' will be more of the same and will not bring people together. In fact, the only time Corbyn has brought people together was in 2019 when the country, en masse, voted for the Conservative Party.
Doesn't every politician take stances and favour to like minds though. Thatcher with Pinochet being an example.

As for Samuel Paty, a quick search of UK political responses gave me zero replies. Not condoning it by any means but according to the search results no UK politician condemned it. Maybe some did, i cant find evidence of it.

Bin Laden is a strange one, i am not a fan of summary justice, i would have preferred he stand trial for his crimes, the precedent being the Nuremburg Trials.

He was poor on the Skripal poisonings, but correct in asking for the evidence.

It may be a damp squib, but it may also energise people into believing that peace and justice does matter, that human rights are important. In my opinion human rights has become a dirty word and I don't understand it, Surely the world would be a better place if human rights were universal.

Like i said earlier, you are either for peace and justice or you are against peace and justice, i know which side i would rather be on.
 
A man who's spent most of his life dedicating it to fighting for fairness and challenging injustice allows a group to use his name to promote an organisation with the same goals.

And the usual suspects appear playing full Daily Mail bingo.

History will look fondly on Corbyn.
Let them play.

If people oppose its goals it speaks volumes.
 
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No way is Corbyn remotely akin to Michael Foot, who was a decent and honourable man, as well as an intellectual giant. Not a leader possibly and when he was, it was entirely at the wrong time, with Thatcherism at its peak.

Foot was also a very critical friend of Israel and a professed admirer of the Jewish people and what they'd brought to British culture and society. He could see both sides of the Israeli/Arab argument and, in complete contrast to Corbyn, passionately opposed those who hid their antisemitism behind the label of 'anti-Zionism. Foot would never in a million years have talked about British Zionists lacking a sense of English irony.

I don't dispute that but you remember Foot as a contemporary.

I think history remembers and will remember Foot chiefly for the 1983 election defeat (unless you're big into politics) whereas Corbyn will be remembered along the same lines for the 2019 election with possibly a focus on the re-emergence of antisemitism. I think most other stuff about his politics - the good and the bad - will be long forgotten.
 
Like i said earlier, you are either for peace and justice or you are against peace and justice, i know which side i would rather be on.
You can also be for it whilst believing that Corbyn isn’t the right person to bring it.

I think certain people need to realise they don’t hold a political monopoly on peace and justice and also morality. It’s sheer delusion and arrogance.
 
No way is Corbyn remotely akin to Michael Foot, who was a decent and honourable man, as well as an intellectual giant. Not a leader possibly and when he was, it was entirely at the wrong time, with Thatcherism at its peak.

Foot was also a very critical friend of Israel and a professed admirer of the Jewish people and what they'd brought to British culture and society. He could see both sides of the Israeli/Arab argument and, in complete contrast to Corbyn, passionately opposed those who hid their antisemitism behind the label of 'anti-Zionism. Foot would never in a million years have talked about British Zionists lacking a sense of English irony.
So you judge a politician on their stance towards Israel.
 
I think he'll be remembered akin to and probably worse than Michael Foot i.e. as a lesson to future Labour Party leaders that if you care more about a sect of your own party rather than the views of the country, you face electoral oblivion. That lesson will no doubt be forgotten yet again by the 2052 leadership election when Labour members vote for 77 year old Lord Burgon.
the Sect being an overwhelming majority of party members. That sect?

If the Labour becomes a party that ignores the members then it loses its very essence. That of course suits the RW in this country

as Tony Benn said

"If the Labour party could be bullied or persuaded to denounce its Marxists, the media having tasted blood would demand next that it expelled all its Socialists and reunited with the SDP to form a harmless alternative to the Conservatives. Which would then be allowed to take office now and again when the Conservatives fell out of favour with the public.

But if such a strategy were to succeed ,,,it would in fact profoundly endanger British society, for it would open up the danger of a swing to the far right like we have seen in Europe over the last 50 years"
 

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