Petrol and diesel car targets

[bluethrunthru]

Without massive changes to how the country generates electricity, the number of charge and fast charge points, the battery technology all of which would provide capacity, realistic range improvements and real world benefits then the answer has to be no...thats why Dyson has baled after £2.5bn sunk into electric cars.

 

[Scottyboi]

Without massive changes to how the country generates electricity, the number of charge and fast charge points, the battery technology all of which would provide capacity, realistic range improvements and real world benefits then the answer has to be no...thats why Dyson has baled after £2.5bn sunk into electric cars.

Didn't the Chinese government turn one of their huge cities into fully electric. They didn't have a choice like but it can be done, all comes down to money though new electric cars are stupidly expensive and not feasible for the working class at the moment.

 

[crooky]

I thought the target was earlier than that but looks like they are just suggestions.

But yeah apart from some special circumstances I can't see why it can't be done if electric cars continue to improve at their current rate.

At some point quite near in the future (2030) though there will have to be a huge investment into the national grid to make it viable.

 

[flook]

Not unless current technology improves dramatically, unless the "common man" is going back to horse and cart.

Massive investment in generation (sustainable) required
Unparalleled investment in infrastructure to provide charging stations
Basic obstacles like how does someone with on street parking, not necessarily near their own home, charge an EV

There are 38 million cars in the uk today, and there are about 25,000 charging points, whilst there are 8400 petrol stations

Assume 10 pumps per station, 5 minutes per car 12 hours/day thats 1440 car refuels per station per day, or 12 million a week for the country so you can basically refill your car every 3 days without stretching the capacity

Electric cars need say 2 hours (based on basic nissan leaf on a type 2 charger) and would need a recharge say every 2 days, so 1 charging point running 24 hours/day can charge 12 cars at best in a day

on that basis 38 million cars charged every 2 days would need about 1.5 million charging stations

OK so the math is highly subjective and ignores home charging completely and assumes each station operates at full capacity all the time, but it does give a (conservative) indication of the scale of the issue

Electric cars on a mass scale only become realistic (imo) when either hydrogen fuel cells become viable or on-car solar energy becomes efficient enough to replace charging stations

<sits back and awaits incoming>

 

[FCBarca]

Absolutely feasible and we should get there sooner

 

[ganganvince]

Not unless current technology improves dramatically, unless the "common man" is going back to horse and cart.

Massive investment in generation (sustainable) required
Unparalleled investment in infrastructure to provide charging stations
Basic obstacles like how does someone with on street parking, not necessarily near their own home, charge an EV

There are 38 million cars in the uk today, and there are about 25,000 charging points, whilst there are 8400 petrol stations

Assume 10 pumps per station, 5 minutes per car 12 hours/day thats 1440 car refuels per station per day, or 12 million a week for the country so you can basically refill your car every 3 days without stretching the capacity

Electric cars need say 2 hours (based on basic nissan leaf on a type 2 charger) and would need a recharge say every 2 days, so 1 charging point running 24 hours/day can charge 12 cars at best in a day

on that basis 38 million cars charged every 2 days would need about 1.5 million charging stations

OK so the math is highly subjective and ignores home charging completely and assumes each station operates at full capacity all the time, but it does give a (conservative) indication of the scale of the issue

Electric cars on a mass scale only become realistic (imo) when either hydrogen fuel cells become viable or on-car solar energy becomes efficient enough to replace charging stations

<sits back and awaits incoming>

Hydrogen fuel cells are were most of the money is being spent at the moment.

 

[Fred_Quimby]

Not unless current technology improves dramatically, unless the "common man" is going back to horse and cart.

Massive investment in generation (sustainable) required
Unparalleled investment in infrastructure to provide charging stations
Basic obstacles like how does someone with on street parking, not necessarily near their own home, charge an EV

There are 38 million cars in the uk today, and there are about 25,000 charging points, whilst there are 8400 petrol stations

Assume 10 pumps per station, 5 minutes per car 12 hours/day thats 1440 car refuels per station per day, or 12 million a week for the country so you can basically refill your car every 3 days without stretching the capacity

Electric cars need say 2 hours (based on basic nissan leaf on a type 2 charger) and would need a recharge say every 2 days, so 1 charging point running 24 hours/day can charge 12 cars at best in a day

on that basis 38 million cars charged every 2 days would need about 1.5 million charging stations

OK so the math is highly subjective and ignores home charging completely and assumes each station operates at full capacity all the time, but it does give a (conservative) indication of the scale of the issue

Electric cars on a mass scale only become realistic (imo) when either hydrogen fuel cells become viable or on-car solar energy becomes efficient enough to replace charging stations

<sits back and awaits incoming>

Assuming every car needs charging every two days. How many people do that now?

 

[sir baconface]

I imagine it will be accompanied and partly facilitated by other changes to reduce the number of vehicles, e.g. hourly car hire in urban areas plus improved public transport.

 

[Fred_Quimby]

Of course it is perfectly feasible. All it needs is the will and the investment to do it. Good luck with that after Brexit.

 

[Manchester33]

Without massive changes to how the country generates electricity, the number of charge and fast charge points, the battery technology all of which would provide capacity, realistic range improvements and real world benefits then the answer has to be no...thats why Dyson has baled after £2.5bn sunk into electric cars.

I think the car industry will be completely different by 2040. Driverless, electric taxis will be so cheap to run that the cost benefit to owning a car will plummet. Working from home, or working remotely will increase with the advancement of technology. Innovations such as hyperloop will replace trains/lorries with a quicker, greener and safer alternative.

Fewer journeys and fewer cars on the road means we'd need fewer investment into new road networks or parking facilities. There'd be a reduction in demand for oil, metal, concrete etc. The average man on the street would have more money in his back pocket because he wouldn't be paying overinflated car costs and taxes.