PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[cheekybids]

This comment was made by Soriano in the FT during the uefa case.

It can easily apply to the league:

“The owner has not put money in this club that has not been properly declared,” said Mr Soriano. “We are a sustainable football club, we are profitable, we don’t have debt, our accounts have been scrutinised many times by auditors, by regulators, by investors and this is perfectly clear.”

Anyone doubting the club just needs to read what Soriano, Khaldoon said at the time. The case now with the league is pretty much the same…illegal owner funding!

There is no leak nor smoking gun. The financials can’t be interpreted any other way but correct and accurate.

If anything the Cas Verdict has given the club a dry run. We know how these tribunals operate now.

We can easily argue each point the premier tries to push on us with the evidence presented at CAS. How can you find the club guilty when CAS could find no evidence?

It’s going to be a beautiful day/week/month when the case falls apart and the media is foaming at the mouth. Might need to book a holiday once the all clear comes in.

Apparently we chose the judges, bribed them with oil money & then only got away with it due to being time barred ………

 

[wolviedinho]

Apparently we chose the judges, bribed them with oil money & then only got away with it due to being time barred ………

“So let it be written, so let it be done” -:)

 

[cheekybids]

Maybe we could bring a case for compensation against Spuds ?

I’ve wondered if we planted this story in the media & it follows the comments from Pep about asking Daniel Levy.

 

[Paladin]

If the rules they're accusing us of breaking require that we'd have had to committed fraud then they do need to prove we were fraudulent. Thank god some of you are not a part of our defense team...

If they find us guilty of certain charges, then there is a possibility that we might have acted fraudulently. But this would be a consequence of the findings. None of the charges against us mention fraud.

 

[Paladin]

What about the so-called independent panel for Everton, two of whom worked for rival PL clubs. They somehow agreed with the request by Masters for a 10 point deduction. Just naked corruption in plain view.

It isn't corruption. It's what they deemed to be a fair punishment, and they clearly explained their reasons for the punishment.

Anyone is entitled to have a different opinion on what a fair punishment should be for Everton, but it doesn't mean the punishment given was necessarily wrong, and it doesn't imply corruption.

The penalty might be reduced on appeal. But again, that doesn't imply corruption.

 

[Paladin]

But the PL keep changing the rules without any agreement with the clubs. The Everton sanction criteria was made up by Masters. This is a farce.

I agree with Burnham to an extent. He said it is wrong to draw up punishment guidelines after the event, and then apply them retrospectively. The incompetent PL tried this with Everton, hence Burnham's complaint.

The commission disregarded the PL guidelines though, and applied what they thought was the correct punishment for Everton. It just so happens to be the same punishment recommended by the PL, and that has brought on a heap of additional trouble.

The PL should have just let the commission get on with their job, without interfering.

Burnham also said the proper way to draw up punishment guidelines is to have them discussed by all members clubs and to agree a fair set of guidelines with a vote. Again, another example of the incompetence of Masters and the PL. Masters' position is fast becoming untenable.

 

[Paladin]

It's all a bit mad!

I don't really know anything of the case but Docking points from this season for "offences" from previous seasons makes no sense at all.

And Docking points from a League table makes a complete mockery of the whole season anyway.
It doesn't just punish Everton but benefits half a dozen teams at the bottom of the League scrapping to avoid relegation, but makes no difference at all to the Top half teams.

The integrity of the League is shot to pieces with this docking points nonsense.

If guilty fine, but come up with a punishment that effects the guilty team only.

Come the end of the season Everton may be in a position where they have to win games to stay up, whereas without the sanction they would be safe.
I'm sure the teams they are playing against won't be too happy if they also need the points!

Masters and the PL have completely fucked up and to me this looks like some botched attempt to try and severely sanction City and Chelsea who at this point have not been found guilty!

The commission in the Everton case said that the failures by Everton are so serious that a sporting sanction must be made. Everton argued that a financial sanction should apply and would be fairer.

The commission said that if they applied only a fine, the owners would dip into their pockets, pay off the fine, and Everton would be in no worse a situation. But Everton benefited from their non-compliance by having a stronger team, getting more points in the season, and avoiding relegation. The penalty needs to include a real deterrent, otherwise clubs in future would just ignore the rules in order to avoid relegation. Hence the hefty points deduction.

In future, the PL wants cases to be judged and punished in the season in which they occur. This is an honourable objective, but as the commission pointed out in the Everton case, this objective should not be allowed to hamper a club on its defence against charges.

 

[Paladin]

That statement doesn’t stand up to scrutiny though does it? Ignored the PL guidelines is easy to say but, then they imposed the sanction the PL were demanding? Masters has made it look likes he’s unduly influenced the process, even if he hasn’t.

I agree. Masters has made a complete hash of the Everton case, and even more off a mess of ours. He's clearly acting on orders. He's recommended a severe punishment for Everton, so that the precedent is set for an even more severe punishment for us.

People are beginning to see straight through all this nonsense, and his days must be numbered.

 

[cheekybids]

I agree with Burnham to an extent. He said it is wrong to draw up punishment guidelines after the event, and then apply them retrospectively. The incompetent PL tried this with Everton, hence Burnham's complaint.

The commission disregarded the PL guidelines though, and applied what they thought was the correct punishment for Everton. It just so happens to be the same punishment recommended by the PL, and that has brought on a heap of additional trouble.

The PL should have just let the commission get on with their job, without interfering.

Burnham also said the proper way to draw up punishment guidelines is to have them discussed by all members clubs and to agree a fair set of guidelines with a vote. Again, another example of the incompetence of Masters and the PL. Masters' position is fast becoming untenable.

Burnham has come out fighting for Everton because it’s troubled his team but he said absolutely nothing to defend the club of the City he represents. The City that has been transformed by the same people accused of dishonesty.

It’s typical of a politician fighting for self interest & not the people he represents.

 

[JewelZee]

If they find us guilty of certain charges, then there is a possibility that we might have acted fraudulently. But this would be a consequence of the findings. None of the charges against us mention fraud.

I understand, but other than the failure to cooperate charges, the other charges would require that we acted fraudulently in order for us to be found to have broken any rules...because of the nature of the charges you can't have one without the other, in essence "we have found you in violation of our rules because you acted fraudulently"...I don't see that happening...