PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[WRicko]

Apparently, there is no legal obligation to report fraud to the police or to any other body, unless part of a regulated sector that has a duty to do so. Football isn't a regulated sector.

If they are really pursuing fraud, I would have thought it would make sense to report it in this case, though, to avoid any future "embarrassment". Personally, I don't think they have a snowflake's chance in hell of proving fraud for a multitude of reasons.

One of the first things Pannick should do not that I know anything is say so you the premier league are alleging fraud and have to in affect prove it in order get round time bar but have not openly said any of this or reported it to anyone. So either your making shit up under pressure from other clubs or your in affect supporting it

 

[Chappie]

It's is the easiest thing in the world to write down that City have been accused of 115 chargeses to pander to the masses of sycophants who want to believe that we are guilty of some misdemeanor.
The problem the accusers have is that,they don't seem to have, any evidence to support their claims.
This is and always has been a kite flying exercise to try and discredit City off the pitch as they clearly can't do it on the pitch.

 

[halfcenturyup]

One of the first things Pannick should do not that I know anything is say so you the premier league are alleging fraud and have to in affect prove it in order get round time bar but have not openly said any of this or reported it to anyone. So either your making shit up under pressure from other clubs or your in affect supporting it

Well, possibly. I just hope he doesn't say "I rest my case" after that. :)

 

[The Reckless Pen]

City’s legal team are headed by Lord David Pannick KC of Blackstone Chambers who will work with Monckton Chambers’ Paul Harris KC and will be up against Kevin Plumb, the Premier League’s general counsel, and his Blackstone Chambers colleague Adam Lewis KC.

While he is unlikely to be working full-time on City’s case, given the complexity and lengthy timescale, Lord Pannick KC will command huge remuneration when the case is near court. While working on Privatbank litigation court documents showed that he charged £3,000 per hour, along with an £800,000 brief fee.

The hearing is scheduled for Autumn 2024 and the final decision for Summer 2025. City's likely legal cost could be in the region of £50m or more if it's delayed until Autumn 2025, longer if appealed. If City are exonerated, does the PL pay City's legal fees ? Who pays the fees of Murray Rosen KC and the Adjudication Panel ?

If the PL survives the Regulator, can it afford to pay all these legal costs ? A huge gamble.

 

[manimanc]

City’s legal team are headed by Lord David Pannick KC of Blackstone Chambers who will work with Monckton Chambers’ Paul Harris KC and will be up against Kevin Plumb, the Premier League’s general counsel, and his Blackstone Chambers colleague Adam Lewis KC.

While he is unlikely to be working full-time on City’s case, given the complexity and lengthy timescale, Lord Pannick KC will command huge remuneration when the case is near court. While working on Privatbank litigation court documents showed that he charged £3,000 per hour, along with an £800,000 brief fee.

The hearing is scheduled for Autumn 2024 and the final decision for Summer 2025. City's likely legal cost could be in the region of £50m or more if it's delayed until Autumn 2025, longer if appealed. If City are exonerated, does the PL pay City's legal fees ? Who pays the fees of Murray Rosen KC and the Adjudication Panel ?

If the PL survives the Regulator, can it afford to pay all these legal costs ? A huge gamble.

We'll be in the super league by then, Premier league can fuck themselves and congratulate Wolves or Fulham winning the league.

 

[cheekybids]

Well, possibly. I just hope he doesn't say "I rest my case" after that. :)

If he starts with “I put it to you……”

It’s in the bag ;-)

 

[Dribble]

Plus surely that have legal requirement to report

There's no legal requirement, only a moral one to help protect society.

However, with our case being so open, I'd assume the SFO, FCA & HMRC would stick their beaks in if something contrary to UK Law was being alleged.

This is the legal equivalent of your private members club threatening to fine & ban you because you didn't wash your tea mug after use.

It maybe against the private members club rules, but it doesn't contravene UK Law. This is where it'll get messy for UEFA & the PL if ever challenged in court.

 

[mcfcphil]

There's no legal requirement, only a moral one to help protect society.

However, with our case being so open, I'd assume the SFO, FCA & HMRC would stick their beaks in if something contrary to UK Law was being alleged.

This is the legal equivalent of your private members club threatening to fine & ban you because you didn't wash your tea mug after use.

It maybe against the private members club rules, but it doesn't contravene UK Law. This is where it'll get messy for UEFA & the PL if ever challenged in court.

Surely what they are alleging does contravene uk law though if our submitted accounts are intentionally misleading/deceptive?

Wouldn’t the comparison be the private members club believes you’ve been getting pissed in the bar area every night then driving home?

 

[Dribble]

Surely what they are alleging does contravene uk law though if our submitted accounts are intentionally misleading/deceptive?

Wouldn’t the comparison be the private members club believes you’ve been getting pissed in the bar area every night then driving home?

Not from my understanding. EG:

I do some work for you & send an invoice with my bank details. The invoice is paid in full, & the contract is considered completed in full.

Now if it turns out you got your rich Gran to pay the invoice for you, that's got nothing to do with me. I just want to get paid.

Drunk driving is illegal, but there's nothing in UK Law which states a family member can't pay a bill for you, but evidently UEFA & the PL created a private members club rule that they can't.

 

[mcfcphil]

Not from my understanding. EG:

I do some work for you & send an invoice with my bank details. The invoice is paid in full, & the contract is considered completed in full.

Now if it turns out you got your rich Gran to pay the invoice for you, that's got nothing to do with me. I just want to get paid.

Drunk driving is illegal, but there's nothing in UK Law which states a family member can't pay a bill for you, but evidently UEFA & the PL created a private members club rule that they can't.

Thanks.

I think I’m misunderstanding the accusation then. If the rich gran paying the bill should have been declared on my companies house submission but I wilfully omitted it (for whatever motivation) then I would think I’m acting illegally.

It just feels almost inevitable that the severity of what the premier league are accusing in terms of deception within audited accounts can’t be illegal.

Given the world we live in and the allegations of cover ups by large organisations with social responsibility (see BBC) then if there was even a possibility City had broken the law then the Premier League would be duty bound to report it to the relevant authority.

*in fact could City not self refer to the financial authorities if they believe they are being accused of something illegal. It would be an interesting play given any criminal proceedings would have to be dealt with before the civil matter and it would be problematic for the premier league to continue with its process if City had been cleared.

 

[Dribble]

Thanks.

I think I’m misunderstanding the accusation then. If the rich gran paying the bill should have been declared on my companies house submission but I wilfully omitted it (for whatever motivation) then I would think I’m acting illegally.

It just feels almost inevitable that the severity of what the premier league are accusing in terms of deception within audited accounts can’t be illegal.

Given the world we live in and the allegations of cover ups by large organisations with social responsibility (see BBC) then if there was even a possibility City had broken the law then the Premier League would be duty bound to report it to the relevant authority.

Try not to overthink it mate. FFP is as blatantly bent as that. It was created merely to stop City, & any future City's from challenging the European elite.

What illustrates this even more is if I wanted to refurbish my business premises, & send all the staff out for training & take on a plethora of Apprentices, it's perfectly fine to use my rich Gran's money.

However, if I wanted to entice top industry professionals to work for my business, but use my rich Gran's money to do it, that's considered against the industry rules. Why? Because the industry's ruling body doesn't think it fair I should be able to challenge the elite, because I've got a minted Gran. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠⊙⁠_⁠ʖ⁠⊙⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

In the real world, if I had a rich Gran willing to bankroll me, that just my good fortune, but in European football they want to bring back capital punishment for breaking their private members club rules. \0/

 

[WRicko]

Surely what they are alleging does contravene uk law though if our submitted accounts are intentionally misleading/deceptive?

Wouldn’t the comparison be the private members club believes you’ve been getting pissed in the bar area every night then driving home?

Would they have legal requirement to report tho ? I suspect not but would be open to criminal charges should the drunk person crash and hurt someone and also open to loosing the license even if he didn’t crash

 

[halfcenturyup]

Would they have legal requirement to report tho ? I suspect not but would be open to criminal charges should the drunk person crash and hurt someone and also open to loosing the license even if he didn’t crash

Enough with the analogies already. No-one is getting hurt even if the club did manipulate its accounts. Keep it real, folks, or at least keep it relevant.

 

[WRicko]

Enough with the analogies already. No-one is getting hurt even if the club did manipulate its accounts. Keep it real, folks, or at least keep it relevant.

The point is that they are in affect alleging that the law was broken via fraud if you de fraud a bank or someone and they get the money back via insurance credit card company or you pay it back you have still committed a crime and there should still be an investigation by the police etc not just by the companies involved

 

[I'm no cynic but...]

Maybe the charges announced in such a number and coming from the entire EPL was really a sham to get each club's administrators to go back years through their own books to see if some discrepancy could be found which links each one of them to some dealing with City.
Anything found might be harmless and innocent but in knowing that every other club is looking at their finances might lead to closer inspection in the hope that some discrepancy can be found.
One club doing it my lead to something trivial but if all clubs did it then they could try to make out that we were transgressing on an industrial scale.

 

[JASR]

If he starts with “I put it to you……”

It’s in the bag ;-)

Needs to end with

‘Oh just one thing that bothers me…’

 

[SWP's back]

We'll be in the super league by then, Premier league can fuck themselves and congratulate Wolves or Fulham winning the league.

I seriously fucking hope not.

 

[WRicko]

Maybe the charges announced in such a number and coming from the entire EPL was really a sham to get each club's administrators to go back years through their own books to see if some discrepancy could be found which links each one of them to some dealing with City.
Anything found might be harmless and innocent but in knowing that every other club is looking at their finances might lead to closer inspection in the hope that some discrepancy can be found.
One club doing it my lead to something trivial but if all clubs did it then they could try to make out that we were transgressing on an industrial scale.

What ?

 

[KS55]

Try not to overthink it mate. FFP is as blatantly bent as that. It was created merely to stop City, & any future City's from challenging the European elite.

What illustrates this even more is if I wanted to refurbish my business premises, & send all the staff out for training & take on a plethora of Apprentices, it's perfectly fine to use my rich Gran's money.

However, if I wanted to entice top industry professionals to work for my business, but use my rich Gran's money to do it, that's considered against the industry rules. Why? Because the industry's ruling body doesn't think it fair I should be able to challenge the elite, because I've got a minted Gran. ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠⊙⁠_⁠ʖ⁠⊙⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

In the real world, if I had a rich Gran willing to bankroll me, that just my good fortune, but in European football they want to bring back capital punishment for breaking their private members club rules. \0/

Anybody got a number for these rich grannies?

 

[Xhavenjoe]

Anybody got a number for these rich grannies?

Try Rooney