PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

terraloon said:
As I posted months ago I am not going to post an opinion re the main charges until we hear the outcome from the IC. My take on many of the charges does accord with the majority view on here but there are some of the charges like the Mancini contract issue that will , if the email chain is indeed fact, will be down to the assessment of the panel members in terms on balance were payments from city and as a consequence I don’t think it’s even close to a foregone conclusion

In terms of your take about how City would behave I personally can’t see how they would have not carried on with the stadium project.If that project had been put on ice surely the whole of football save city would see that as a self sign of guilt

As for sponsors again the bulk of the football community outside City are of the opinion that there are direct links the narrative from many supporters is that the majority of Cities . That almost certainly isn’t the case indeed most clubs see the value offered through greater number of “ partners” as opposed to major sponsors exclusively . There is no way that City would be saying anything differently to new sponsors in term of their innocence.

As for Gundogan. Sorry he is only on a one year deal at City so the question of him playing in the Championship next season isn’t really an issue still a very good player at soon to be 34 he may indeed get another deal but at this time he is only a city player guaranteed till May 25.

As for Utd hiring Berrada that is an interesting one and there is an alternative narrative that particularly if it suited Utd and potentially the PL to have in effect access to someone that was close to the facts and should ultimately he, Berrada, be implicated then an exit from Utd would certainly follow.
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I love how you grandstand like fuck in your opening sentence as though some doyen but the rest of it is meh.
 
terraloon said:
As I posted months ago I am not going to post an opinion re the main charges until we hear the outcome from the IC. My take on many of the charges does accord with the majority view on here but there are some of the charges like the Mancini contract issue that will , if the email chain is indeed fact, will be down to the assessment of the panel members in terms on balance were payments from city and as a consequence I don’t think it’s even close to a foregone conclusion

In terms of your take about how City would behave I personally can’t see how they would have not carried on with the stadium project.If that project had been put on ice surely the whole of football save city would see that as a self sign of guilt

As for sponsors again the bulk of the football community outside City are of the opinion that there are direct links the narrative from many supporters is that the majority of Cities . That almost certainly isn’t the case indeed most clubs see the value offered through greater number of “ partners” as opposed to major sponsors exclusively . There is no way that City would be saying anything differently to new sponsors in term of their innocence.

As for Gundogan. Sorry he is only on a one year deal at City so the question of him playing in the Championship next season isn’t really an issue still a very good player at soon to be 34 he may indeed get another deal but at this time he is only a city player guaranteed till May 25.

As for Utd hiring Berrada that is an interesting one and there is an alternative narrative that particularly if it suited Utd and potentially the PL to have in effect access to someone that was close to the facts and should ultimately he, Berrada, be implicated then an exit from Utd would certainly follow.
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Bobby Taylor's Pub Team said:
I find this hard to imagine. Laying down £300mill is a solid statement of confidence. There is no way the board would think "we need to spend £300mill otherwise some social media KFAs might misinterpret it as an admission of guilt".
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The thing about the stadium is that it had been planned well before the allegations were referred. If there was any doubt in the club's mind about a severe sporting sanction they never would have announced it. There was plenty of time to shelve the project your cost/benefit reasons or whatever before the allegations were referred. I'm not sure any other implication can be drawn from the project.

It's not a question of not stopping the project that should give confidence, it's more the fact that it was started at all.
 
SilvaisSkyBlue said:
He is one of the parasites who basically hangs around this thread hoping for the worse and trying his best to post it in a way that doesn’t have him fucked off, regardless, he should be fúcked off from posting on this thread and on Bluemoon.

In short, @terraloon is just another ****…
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A bit unfair. He has generally stayed out of the thread unless he has a point to make. I think he is wrong about the new stand, though.
 
SilvaisSkyBlue said:
He is one of the parasites who basically hangs around this thread hoping for the worse and trying his best to post it in a way that doesn’t have him fucked off, regardless, he should be fúcked off from posting on this thread and on Bluemoon.

In short, @terraloon is just another ****…
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I agree but I think the 115 charges have done their damage already in a manner that is hard to explain.

We wanted Jude, Declan and a few others.. and they both said no and went elsewhere. Think the 115 shackled our recruitment for a lack of better term.

I think the charges have to be dealt with and in the rear view mirror for recruitment to be truly unshackled.
 
Blue_Lightsaber said:
I agree but I think the 115 charges have done their damage already in a manner that is hard to explain.

We wanted Jude, Declan and a few others.. and they both said no and went elsewhere. Think the 115 shackled our recruitment for a lack of better term.

I think the charges have to be dealt with and in the rear view mirror for recruitment to be truly unshackled.
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Neither went elsewhere because of any charges.
 
blueparrot said:
Neither went elsewhere because of any charges.
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You don't know that.

There's every chance that the constant drip, drip, drip of bad media over the past 16 years had some kind of impact in their thinking. That's before we even think about the possible impact of the charges.

The alternative situation would have been that we'd been praised to high heaven over this time and looked up to for what we are - the best club in the country, if not the world. Players should be desperate to join us.
 
mattcity5 said:
You don't know that.

There's every chance that the constant drip, drip, drip of bad media over the past 16 years had some kind of impact in their thinking. That's before we even think about the possible impact of the charges.

The alternative situation would have been that we'd been praised to high heaven over this time and looked up to for what we are - the best club in the country, if not the world. Players should be desperate to join us.
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Think we can be pretty certain Bellingham wanted Madrid, and Rice preferred to stay in London.
 
mattcity5 said:
You don't know that.

There's every chance that the constant drip, drip, drip of bad media over the past 16 years had some kind of impact in their thinking. That's before we even think about the possible impact of the charges.

The alternative situation would have been that we'd been praised to high heaven over this time and looked up to for what we are - the best club in the country, if not the world. Players should be desperate to join us.
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I’m sure there will be players that would think twice about joining now. Not just about 115, but also with Pep likely to leave in the Summer and the problems when a long term manager leaves.

However, Bellingham and Rice went elsewhere for different reasons.
 
blueparrot said:
Think we can be pretty certain Bellingham wanted Madrid, and Rice preferred to stay in London.
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Yeah quite possibly, Madrid was at least an attractive option.

The biggest impact though with the charges is perception - making us less attractive to potential sponsors, players and fans.

It's a really hard one to quantify, but if Rice had the option of moving to united when they were at their best, maybe 25 years ago, do we think he'd have chosen a team who'd won fuck all for years ahead of them, just because they were based in London? Wouldn't happen. The press would have been leading him north from the start, praising both him and the club for the move.

We've been shat on for years now. Some players may ignore all that, but I'm sure some along the line have been impacted.
 
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halfcenturyup said:
The thing about the stadium is that it had been planned well before the allegations were referred. If there was any doubt in the club's mind about a severe sporting sanction they never would have announced it. There was plenty of time to shelve the project your cost/benefit reasons or whatever before the allegations were referred. I'm not sure any other implication can be drawn from the project.

It's not a question of not stopping the project that should give confidence, it's more the fact that it was started at all.
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Maybe we thought Stockport could do with a nice extension when they kick us out the leagues, as we will have to groundshare with maine road.
 
mattcity5 said:
Yeah quite possibly, Madrid was at least an attractive option.

The biggest impact though with the charges is perception - making us less attractive to potential sponsors, players and fans.

It's a really hard one to quantify, but if Rice had the option of moving to united when they were at their best, maybe 25 years ago, do we think he'd have chosen a team who'd won fuck all for years ahead of them, just because they were based in London? Wouldn't happen. The press would have been leading him north from the start, praising both him and the club for the move.

We've been shat on for years now. Some players may ignore all that, but I'm sure some along the line have done.
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To be honest It wouldn't surprise me if the odd player we have looked at this summer have said they wanted to stay where they are for another year. The charges may or may not been in the back of their mind amongst other things including Peps contract.Thhose that have moved to other clubs though like the 2 mentioned, I doubt it was the reason.
 
mattcity5 said:
We've been shat on for years now. Some players may ignore all that, but I'm sure some along the line have done.
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That's because whilst players are invested with their time at the club they are unlike fans who are deep down emotionally invested, sometimes our owners/boards fault is they seem oblivious to that.

Sit down
Shut up
Stay in your seat
Say nowt
Playing music over fans talking
Don't be a ****

Watching Pep kicking the fuck out of his chair and nothing said about it? fan stands up at the wrong moment and they can be thrown out.

And then Pep asks where the atmosphere is and why there isn't any noise, you don't get a list of rules at an opera and if they did nobody would bother turning up.

The people that run the club should have been fucking angry at that beer cup of coins incident, but they quite obviously weren't.
 
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halfcenturyup said:
The thing about the stadium is that it had been planned well before the allegations were referred. If there was any doubt in the club's mind about a severe sporting sanction they never would have announced it. There was plenty of time to shelve the project your cost/benefit reasons or whatever before the allegations were referred. I'm not sure any other implication can be drawn from the project.

It's not a question of not stopping the project that should give confidence, it's more the fact that it was started at all.
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I file the stadium renovation news away alongside:

- Masters didn't attend our last day title win 23/24
- Masters "it'll come to natural conclusion" comments
- Khaldoon's apparent body language and comments about irrefutable evidence

Imo we may very well win the case but even if we do, I think we're straw clutching that any of the above is significant in any way at this time. As in, I don't read in to any of them too much at all.
 
ayrshire_blue said:
I file the stadium renovation news away alongside:

- Masters didn't attend our last day title win 23/24
- Masters "it'll come to natural conclusion" comments
- Khaldoon's apparent body language and comments about irrefutable evidence

Imo we may very well win the case but even if we do, I think we're straw clutching that any of the above is significant in any way at this time. As in, I don't read in to any of them too much at all.
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Yes, you are right. A lot of it is straw-clutching, of course.

Just with the exception of the stadium, maybe :)
 
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