PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[KS55]

Pep would rather lose games than change how he wants the team to play. We have been slowly getting more pedestrian each season. Either he abandons his philosophy or we buy players who can carry it out to a higher standard.

The slow build up is now at a snails pace and ineffective.

Pep said something the other week that was worrying. I paraphrase:
‘When you have injuries, the amount of running you can do is less. The time to rest is when we are in possession and we should do our running when out of possession.’
This would explain the endless negative passing people complain about and, it seems to me, is not the right way to solve our problems. It is very uncreative and limits us to one goal per game, even with 70% possession. Given our defensive woes, this means we are unlikely to win.
You posted above that Pep would rather lose than change the way we play. There is a lot of truth in that and Pep’s stubbornness could be our undoing.
After so many losses, I would be tempted to adopt the low block, fast break system. We have players who can do this: Phil, Jack, Doku, Savinho, Erling etc. plus any selection of uncrocked defensive players we can muster! I can’t see Pep doing a Dyche, but we will not solve our problem by repeating the same losing formula week after week.

 

[dadnlad]

I have to say that our football has become an increasingly hard watch this last couple of years. Whether that is due to teams working out how to play against us, or the squad being less and less capable of doing what Guardiola wants, or our more creative players getting injured more often, I don't think it can be denied that our play has become increasingly slow and "sideways".

I don't think it's unfair to say that many teams have played more "exciting" football the last couple of seasons.

All imho of course.

we became more pragmatic in order to win champions league
pep now calls it control

 

[Rhapsody in Blue]

Pep has been scarred by the 'gung ho' CL defeats of a few years back, culminating in the uneccessry final defeat agin Chavs.

Those events / experiences probably convinced him to change to less risky, possession based, game which,until this season, has been successful but less exciting.

lmo, we need to change again because the game has changed with better coaches,players and teams capable of good effective perfomances.

Rebuild,refit,refresh.

New DoF
New Players
New Stand
New.....?

Top footballing keeper.
Rock solid defence.
CM pivot.
Powerful creative mids.
Fast,direct wingers.
Goal scoring strikers
25 man first team squad of elite players.

I doubt if well ever see another CENTURIANS team again but something close would be fantastic.

The dips & chavs are on the right lines !!

I agree on the whole, but at the same time we had two of our ever best games against Real and Bayern in CL after we became ”more pragmatic”.
But the football has been extremely boring on the whole ever since the CL final and dare I say including it.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Not necessarily. Disclosure in the PL case is massively more. Hence 12 weeks. Thousands of emails and docs

I should have been more precise.

I agree that UEFA only had the seven leaked emails when it started the case and the AC handed down its judgement. But by the time the appeal was heard at CAS, my reading is that City had complied with UEFA's request to release further associated emails, which it failed to do before that, and it was that prior lack of cooperation that was the only part of UEFA's charges that was upheld by CAS.

 

[deano ou812]

Pep has been scarred by the 'gung ho' CL defeats of a few years back, culminating in the uneccessry final defeat agin Chavs.

Those events / experiences probably convinced him to change to less risky, possession based, game which,until this season, has been successful but less exciting.

lmo, we need to change again because the game has changed with better coaches,players and teams capable of good effective perfomances.

Rebuild,refit,refresh.

New DoF
New Players
New Stand
New.....?

Top footballing keeper.
Rock solid defence.
CM pivot.
Powerful creative mids.
Fast,direct wingers.
Goal scoring strikers
25 man first team squad of elite players.

I doubt if well ever see another CENTURIANS team again but something close would be fantastic.

The dips & chavs are on the right lines !!

This ..

 

[Rhapsody in Blue]

There were some moments of brilliance - Bobb at Newcastle for example - but I agree the team seemed to have dropped a level from it's peak. Pep was able to get enough from the team to win the league and reach the FA Cup final which is great success in anyone's book but signs of emerging issues were evident.

Pep has been too loyal to players that have delivered success but now are struggling to deliver what his strategy demands. We also have too many players who just cannot stay fit. I love Stones, Ake, KdB etc. but we cannot rely on them and maybe it is time to ease them out? It will be a very sad day when we part company with Kev - probably the best player I have seen at City although it's great that others like Sergio, Dave and Yaya are in that conversation.

I also think Pep needs to rethink his small squad preference. In quite a few of our recent seasons we have stumbled to the finishing line and having two more genuine first team players in the squad would have helped immensely. This might make it even harder for youngsters to break through though - no simple solutions.

Finally is a review of our medical processes needed? The number of injured players we have is crazy. I know this tends to snowball with half fit players returning and getting crocked again.

This and only this

 

[decmancity]

Fatigue & Physiological stress are probably the principle reasons for injuries following 4 seasons of 70 intense 'cup finals'

Pep warned about this 3 years ago and the 'player load' has increased since then.

Very few of our injuries have been caused by tackles or impact,most have been strains & pulls.

A bigger,younger squad is essential to successfully compete in a 70 game season.

So why did Pep do fuck all about it then?

Back when we were battering teams 3/4-0. He still refused to make changes.

We've had young lads glued to the bench because De Bruyne had to do the full 90 in every single game possible and repeat that for several members of the first team.

 

[Gone for a Burton]

So why did Pep do fuck all about it then?

Back when we were battering teams 3/4-0. He still refused to make changes.

We've had young lads glued to the bench because De Bruyne had to do the full 90 in every single game possible and repeat that for several members of the first team.

I'm GFAB not Pep but its a valid question.

 

[The Lightbowne Cowboy]

Is this a financial fair play charges rule thread or not ? Come on everybody,get back on track! Every time I pop on this thread it's pages of unrelated tickle tackle.

 

[chris85mcfc]

Can one of the MODs tidy this thread up a bit?

Everytime I come onto it, there's talk about Pep, injuries, players performances etc absolutely no link to the thread title at all

There's plenty of threads knocking about to discuss those areas (that have been done to death!)

 

[dadnlad]

Pep said something the other week that was worrying. I paraphrase:
‘When you have injuries, the amount of running you can do is less. The time to rest is when we are in possession and we should do our running when out of possession.’
This would explain the endless negative passing people complain about and, it seems to me, is not the right way to solve our problems. It is very uncreative and limits us to one goal per game, even with 70% possession. Given our defensive woes, this means we are unlikely to win.
You posted above that Pep would rather lose than change the way we play. There is a lot of truth in that and Pep’s stubbornness could be our undoing.
After so many losses, I would be tempted to adopt the low block, fast break system. We have players who can do this: Phil, Jack, Doku, Savinho, Erling etc. plus any selection of uncrocked defensive players we can muster! I can’t see Pep doing a Dyche, but we will not solve our problem by repeating the same losing formula week after week.

hope he doesnt do it against everton nobody from eithr team will cros halfway line
sorry everton players will still get cramp in first ten minutes

 

[ArniArason]

Can one of the MODs tidy this thread up a bit?

Everytime I come onto it, there's talk about Pep, injuries, players performances etc absolutely no link to the thread title at all

There's plenty of threads knocking about to discuss those areas (that have been done to death!)

I agree. This thread is all over the place

 

[cookster]

I’m not talking about our poor results lately. I’ve been a fan since 1976, and, bizarrely enough, I find it refreshing to face some challenges now and then. City should be a rollercoaster, not a highway. However, it’s impossible to ignore the fact that there’s a chance we might lose the 115 case against the Premier League. If that happens, the reality is that we’ll likely lose our place at the top table for a couple of seasons.

Likewise, late 70s.
Even if we lose, I don't see a scenario where we're relegated.

 

[KS55]

hope he doesnt do it against everton nobody from eithr team will cros halfway line
sorry everton players will still get cramp in first ten minutes

At least we’d get a point.

 

[Damocles]

Can one of the MODs tidy this thread up a bit?

Everytime I come onto it, there's talk about Pep, injuries, players performances etc absolutely no link to the thread title at all

There's plenty of threads knocking about to discuss those areas (that have been done to death!)

I agree. This thread is all over the place

Conversations naturally evolve and go on tangents and that's a good thing, too strict of an adherence to being "on topic" on the thread results in being viewed as heavy handed moderation.

Though maybe people considering if their post REALLY should be in the thread about the PL vs City financial case is the best option. Self moderation is better for everyone.

 

[Judge Roughneck]

Is this a financial fair play charges rule thread or not ? Come on everybody,get back on track! Every time I pop on this thread it's pages of unrelated tickle tackle.

Far be it for me to digress and I agree wholeheartedly that people should stay on topic or push off, but the phrase I think you are looking for is tittle tattle.

 

[Man_City_Loyal]

Can one of the MODs tidy this thread up a bit?

Everytime I come onto it, there's talk about Pep, injuries, players performances etc absolutely no link to the thread title at all

There's plenty of threads knocking about to discuss those areas (that have been done to death!)

We should of lockes tghe thread weeks ago until they come out with the report

 

[halfcenturyup]

Far be it for me to digress and I agree wholeheartedly that people should stay on topic or push off, but the phrase I think you are looking for is tittle tattle.

Don't know which I would prefer: having my tackle tickled or my tattle tittled :)

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

There were some moments of brilliance - Bobb at Newcastle for example - but I agree the team seemed to have dropped a level from it's peak. Pep was able to get enough from the team to win the league and reach the FA Cup final which is great success in anyone's book but signs of emerging issues were evident.

Pep has been too loyal to players that have delivered success but now are struggling to deliver what his strategy demands. We also have too many players who just cannot stay fit. I love Stones, Ake, KdB etc. but we cannot rely on them and maybe it is time to ease them out? It will be a very sad day when we part company with Kev - probably the best player I have seen at City although it's great that others like Sergio, Dave and Yaya are in that conversation.

I also think Pep needs to rethink his small squad preference. In quite a few of our recent seasons we have stumbled to the finishing line and having two more genuine first team players in the squad would have helped immensely. This might make it even harder for youngsters to break through though - no simple solutions.

Finally is a review of our medical processes needed? The number of injured players we have is crazy. I know this tends to snowball with half fit players returning and getting crocked again.

I'd agree with that wholeheartedly, particularly about last season being more about effort than inspiration. I'd even argue you could even see it right at the end of the treble season, when our performances in the final two games, at Wembley and Istanbul, were somewhat laboured and uninspired.

 

[kinkladze10]

Yes please.

*** Gets popcorn ***

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