Player Topic: Vincent Kompany (2015/16)

[Lsb97]

I think it's worth considering moving vinny into the cdm role just in front of the back 4! Gives is a chance to bring denayer through and gives us that protection that we lacked at times last year! I remember when he made his debut in that position v West Ham and he was immense! Thoughts?

 

[SJC]

I think it's worth considering moving vinny into the cdm role just in front of the back 4! Gives is a chance to bring denayer through and gives us that protection that we lacked at times last year! I remember when he made his debut in that position v West Ham and he was immense! Thoughts?

Remember that game, he played great that day. Seem's like a life time ago, the game also seem's to have changed a lot since then, I'm not sure he could play that roll anymore .. I just hope Vinny and Yaya have better season's than last time out and we'll back in the running for everything.

 

[Tricky Dickys Right Foot Shot]

Think Vinnie is long past it, we'll never see the Vinnie from the seasons prior to 2012/2013 again, too many injuries has disrupted his progress and now all we'll see is a shadow of his former self! I don't actually recall the last time I saw him have a brilliant game like we use to see him have! His game has slowed down a lot and he's become reckless in positioning and tackling!

 

[Phil1]

Think Vinnie is long past it, we'll never see the Vinnie from the seasons prior to 2012/2013 again, too many injuries has disrupted his progress and now all we'll see is a shadow of his former self! I don't actually recall the last time I saw him have a brilliant game like we use to see him have! His game has slowed down a lot and he's become reckless in positioning and tackling!

Read some horseshit on this forum but well played on this beauty.
The speed in which some blues are writing off Kompany is a joke. He's still the best CB we have by a distance and an injury free season will dispel all the nonsense that he's finished. It's bad enough reading the rubbish about him from Utd fans but I'd have hoped Blues would know better.

 

[Manchester_lalala]

Read some horseshit on this forum but well played on this beauty.
The speed in which some blues are writing off Kompany is a joke. He's still the best CB we have by a distance and an injury free season will dispel all the nonsense that he's finished. It's bad enough reading the rubbish about him from Utd fans but I'd have hoped Blues would know better.

Thanks for clearing that up, glad someone did.

 

[Tricky Dickys Right Foot Shot]

Read some horseshit on this forum but well played on this beauty.
The speed in which some blues are writing off Kompany is a joke. He's still the best CB we have by a distance and an injury free season will dispel all the nonsense that he's finished. It's bad enough reading the rubbish about him from Utd fans but I'd have hoped Blues would know better.

So being good at best for the last 3 seasons when you're suppose to be world class isn't worth writing off? Go on then mention 1 game out of the last 3 seasons Vinnie has been the stand out player like he use to be?

To be honest I think most blues have their heads in the sand when it comes to certain players! Vinnie has probably been our problem in defence for a few seasons yet all criticism in defence goes straight to Kolarov, Clichy, Sagna, Demi or Mangala because they haven't acquired the legend status, It went on to show later last season when Vinnie was injured so Mangala played along side Demi and looked a miles better player beside Demi then he did beside Vinnie because Mangala was shot of confidence when playing along side Vinnie and had to cover for him every time the guy went bulldozing into midfield but many fans blue tinted glasses refrains them from being critical to Vinnie!
Same went for Demi when he first came he got slated to fuck but when Vinnie got sent off vs Hull and missed 3 games Demi came along more, it's not a fucking coincidence that both Demi and Mangala profited from not playing along side Kompany.

Even as a captain (and I've pointed this out at so many home games) you never see Vinnie give any orders, there's no communication from him whatsoever, he's almost Mcmanaman esc at just pointing, only time I've seen him communicate with other players is when we concede....

It's not like I take pleasure in saying this but it's a taboo subject that's needed attention because in the end Vinnie could end up doing a Vidic and burning himself out to the point of where he's no use to us any more!

 

[Phil1]

So being good at best for the last 3 seasons when you're suppose to be world class isn't worth writing off? Go on then mention 1 game out of the last 3 seasons Vinnie has been the stand out player like he use to be?

To be honest I think most blues have their heads in the sand when it comes to certain players! Vinnie has probably been our problem in defence for a few seasons yet all criticism in defence goes straight to Kolarov, Clichy, Sagna, Demi or Mangala because they haven't acquired the legend status, It went on to show later last season when Vinnie was injured so Mangala played along side Demi and looked a miles better player beside Demi then he did beside Vinnie because Mangala was shot of confidence when playing along side Vinnie and had to cover for him every time the guy went bulldozing into midfield but many fans blue tinted glasses refrains them from being critical to Vinnie!
Same went for Demi when he first came he got slated to fuck but when Vinnie got sent off vs Hull and missed 3 games Demi came along more, it's not a fucking coincidence that both Demi and Mangala profited from not playing along side Kompany.

Even as a captain (and I've pointed this out at so many home games) you never see Vinnie give any orders, there's no communication from him whatsoever, he's almost Mcmanaman esc at just pointing, only time I've seen him communicate with other players is when we concede....

It's not like I take pleasure in saying this but it's a taboo subject that's needed attention because in the end Vinnie could end up doing a Vidic and burning himself out to the point of where he's no use to us any more!

Anyone who thinks that Mangalas short comings were down to Kompany has got it so far wrong I doubt we'd get anywhere near agreement on anything else.

 

[Shaelumstash]

So being good at best for the last 3 seasons when you're suppose to be world class isn't worth writing off? Go on then mention 1 game out of the last 3 seasons Vinnie has been the stand out player like he use to be?

To be honest I think most blues have their heads in the sand when it comes to certain players! Vinnie has probably been our problem in defence for a few seasons yet all criticism in defence goes straight to Kolarov, Clichy, Sagna, Demi or Mangala because they haven't acquired the legend status, It went on to show later last season when Vinnie was injured so Mangala played along side Demi and looked a miles better player beside Demi then he did beside Vinnie because Mangala was shot of confidence when playing along side Vinnie and had to cover for him every time the guy went bulldozing into midfield but many fans blue tinted glasses refrains them from being critical to Vinnie!
Same went for Demi when he first came he got slated to fuck but when Vinnie got sent off vs Hull and missed 3 games Demi came along more, it's not a fucking coincidence that both Demi and Mangala profited from not playing along side Kompany.

Even as a captain (and I've pointed this out at so many home games) you never see Vinnie give any orders, there's no communication from him whatsoever, he's almost Mcmanaman esc at just pointing, only time I've seen him communicate with other players is when we concede....

It's not like I take pleasure in saying this but it's a taboo subject that's needed attention because in the end Vinnie could end up doing a Vidic and burning himself out to the point of where he's no use to us any more!

Have you not noticed a correlation between Kompany's form and the way the team is set up?

Playing deep and having a tight midfield in front of him = world class

Playing an absurdly high line with a midfield that doesn't pressure the ball = reckless idiot

Kompany last season kept coming charging out trying to win the ball early, do you think he's just decided that? Of course not. He's being instructed to play higher and more aggressive. And when he sees that Fernandinho was the only midfielder putting any kind of pressure on the ball, he presses even higher, which inevitably leads to mistakes.

Very few defenders look good playing a high line. Remember Chelsea under AVB? High line, John Terry was an absolute embarrassment, people were calling for him to retire. Last season under Mourinho, he was playing deep, defending his 18 yard box and he was the best defender in the league.

Same reason Nastasic looked like the next Paulo Maldini in 2012/13 and the season after when we switched to a high line, he looked like the next Steve Redmond.

The only way you can play a high line is if you've got midfielders who have high energy who put pressure on the ball to win it back high up the pitch. That is the Barca model, and the one we are seemingly following. However playing a 442 with Yaya and Fernando, there is no pressing the ball whatsoever, so playing them two with a high line is just a disaster waiting to happen. West Ham away being a prime example.

If we switch to a 433 or 451 variation next season, which seems likely, the extra body in midfield will allow us to compete more in the middle and not get as overran as last season. I'm convinced you'll see a much improved defense and a much improved Vinny because of it.

 

[malg]

Read some horseshit on this forum but well played on this beauty.
The speed in which some blues are writing off Kompany is a joke. He's still the best CB we have by a distance and an injury free season will dispel all the nonsense that he's finished. It's bad enough reading the rubbish about him from Utd fans but I'd have hoped Blues would know better.

On last season's form, he absolutely is not.

 

[Phil1]

On last season's form, he absolutely is not.

Having an injury hit season and a dip in form doesn't make him a bad player. He is still our best CB and although Demichellis has been impressive on the whole, he showed his age towards the back end of the season with his legs not quite able to work at the same speed as his mind.
The jury is still out as to how Mangala will settle in.