Political relations between UK-EU

Vic said:
I'll treat this with the seriousness it doesn't deserve. Why would May's deal have meant more disruption to trade?
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He’s not saying that, he’s suggesting May and Robbins should have started preparing sooner and had more in place so that the transition could have been smoother.
 
meltonblue said:
He’s not saying that, he’s suggesting May and Robbins should have started preparing sooner and had more in place so that the transition could have been smoother.
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We could also have agreed a deal with more than 7 days to spare. In fact we could have agreed the deal we finally agreed over a year ago and spent the time getting ready. Or just agreed a better deal that was easier to implement, you know like the one we agreed for N.Ireland months ago.
 
1.618034 said:
What about the 18 months since?
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which is the crux of the matter - they got Johnson, they got their majority, they got the posturing and the sabre rattling and ultimately they got done up the wrong 'un and all they can fall back on is its the fault of a previous administration and avoid any suggestion that 18 months to get organised were just fucking wasted with the Tory Party purging itself of "non believers" and getting Frosty the Showman to pose and posture whilst caving on everything and thus the fishing industry is lost - all because of May and Robins........... as if
 
bluethrunthru said:
which is the crux of the matter - they got Johnson, they got their majority, they got the posturing and the sabre rattling and ultimately they got done up the wrong 'un and all they can fall back on is its the fault of a previous administration and avoid any suggestion that 18 months to get organised were just fucking wasted with the Tory Party purging itself of "non believers" and getting Frosty the Showman to pose and posture whilst caving on everything and thus the fishing industry is lost - all because of May and Robins........... as if
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If it wasn’t so fucking dire for the future prosperity of the country it would be comical.
 
Latest episode of Cornwall - a fishing life. Looking at the bigger trawlers at Newlyn (30m)

You don't even need to watch it. Here you go.

No new fishermen coming through - average age on trawlers is 60! Youngest is 28 (the whole fleet). Oldest on the boat is 74... 60 years at sea...

French boats with bigger quotas for hake (plus Spanish and Dutch).

A French boat comes close to their net (11 miles of it...)

Crabbing boats out of Newlyn - nearly all crewed by Latvians (complaining about shitty weather). Owned by local family (relying on FoM - without EU workers who's going to catch crabs?)

Dealing with risk (a moving factory floor).

Hundreds of British boats were scrapped (UK govt grants to do it) under EU scheme to conserve stocks.

Back at sea, they could catch more than quota. But it's quota in some fish (so any caught of those have to go back, even if dead, while they catch other species). Blaming Brussels, but it's not obvious how "taking back our waters" will really help as the story takes in the spin of the referendum campaign (Farage quoted that fishing is "the acid test of Brexit")

Back onshore, 19 Lithuanian women are processing the crabs. Low paid undercutting Brits? £30,000 p.a.!
19 of 10,000 EU workers in fish processing. Newlyn family say if they can't get people, they will just move the whole operation to France.

Gale warnings - stay out or head back for port with still room in the hold? Small boats go in, they stay out (as there will be less fish landed, the price will be higher).

MSC sustainability label has made hake popular in UK (most used to be exported). One boat sells its catch for £20k - 5 days work but between 4 (5?) crew.

Another boat gets a net in its prop - engine dies - drifting in heavy seas - nearest boat to help is 6 hours away - not easy to get a line across safely - towed back to port - but that's two boats stopped fishing early. The featured boat's catch fetched £40k.
 
meltonblue said:
He’s not saying that, he’s suggesting May and Robbins should have started preparing sooner and had more in place so that the transition could have been smoother.
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Yeah, I misunderstood his waffle. Still, it was Johnson's choice to stick to the original transition period. He could have had as long as he wanted, and we were assured (by IDS no less) that the scrutiny time for the WA was more than enough. Johnson's choice too not to extend the time for a deal when Covid hit. It was predicted that we might be leaving at the height of a second wave of virus. And then faffing around till the last minute (perhaps in the ridiculous belief that what we had was a "viable walkaway option").

In short, it was just more of the specious shite from mcfc1632. I thought that might sound harsh, but then I read the previous post. Anyone who can make light of this is a bit weird frankly.
 
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bluethrunthru said:
which is the crux of the matter - they got Johnson, they got their majority, they got the posturing and the sabre rattling and ultimately they got done up the wrong 'un and all they can fall back on is its the fault of a previous administration and avoid any suggestion that 18 months to get organised were just fucking wasted with the Tory Party purging itself of "non believers" and getting Frosty the Showman to pose and posture whilst caving on everything and thus the fishing industry is lost - all because of May and Robins........... as if
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Inconvenient truths ?
 
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