Political relations between UK-EU

[Ban-jani]

Back in the real world, the UK had a commitment with AZ to get the first 30m doses (with a £65m research grant). The EU stumped up five times that for 300m doses.

Back in the real world, you do understand the difference in populations don’t you?

 

[BobKowalski]

if you genuinely think AZ are going to come out of this worse than the EU leadership, by the public, then I’m not sure you’re going to be persuaded on anything.

If I was a German citizen now and I watched the EU delay for 3 months whilst the UK got on with it, and now this contract dispute which has shown them to have been talking absolute shite on the “best endeavour” point, I’d be livid with them, over the manufacturer struggling to now meet demand.

When I said you are in a cult yesterday I meant it, there’s zero objectivity and your judgment is clouded by a hatred for the UK and love for anyone who opposes them.

The EU weren’t ‘talking shite’ as has been pointed out by several other posters who are not having a three day melt over the issue.

No one has absolved the EU of responsibility on this matter or over the vaccine rollout and at no fucking point have I, or anyone as far as I am aware, pointed the finger of blame at the UK, so do everyone a favour and get your facts straight before posting.

 

[meltonblue]

In what way can that be argued as competing when the contracts were signed?

It’s only being suggested as “competing” now because the EU manufacturing facilities are behind schedule. Were these delays foreseen? Good luck proving that one in court

Theres no differentiation between the EU manufacturing sites and the U.K. sites, they’re one and the same. That’s not the point though.

If there’s a shortfall in production that’s fine, Pfizer had that too. They cut it for all their customer base though. If AZ also say there’s a shortfall because vaccines are already prioritised for a different customer, then that’s not a reasonable excuse for breaching it as per their own stipulation.

 

[The perfect fumble]

In what way can that be argued as competing when the contracts were signed?

It’s only being suggested as “competing” now because the EU manufacturing facilities are behind schedule. Were these delays foreseen? Good luck proving that one in court

It doesn't matter, in court or out of court.

AstraZeneca signed the contract, not its individual facilities. The location of any production problems within AstraZeneca are material only to AstraZenica, they are immaterial to the folk they are contractually obliged to supply.

 

[metalblue]

Theres no differentiation between the EU manufacturing sites and the U.K. sites, they’re one and the same. That’s not the point though.

If there’s a shortfall in production that’s fine, Pfizer had that too. They cut it for all their customer base though. If AZ also say there’s a shortfall because vaccines are already prioritised for a different customer, then that’s not a reasonable excuse for breaching it as per their own stipulation.

They aren’t one and the same. The EU contracted for output from EU based facilities, non-EU facilities needed to be approved, except in the case of UK which was deeemed acceptable.

None of that explains why they can be considered competing agreements

 

[metalblue]

It doesn't matter, in court or out of court.

AstraZeneca signed the contract, not its individual facilities. The location of any production problems within AstraZeneca are material only to AstraZenica, they are immaterial to the folk they are contractually obliged to supply.

Not when production location is explicit to the contract between the EU and AZ it isn’t - else they could argue for the US output as well...but they aren’t are they?

 

[Citizen of Legoland]

They aren’t one and the same. The EU contracted for output from EU based facilities, non-EU facilities needed to be approved, except in the case of UK which was deeemed acceptable.

None of that explains why they can be considered competing agreements

metalblue vs meltonblue - it's hard to follow!

 

[The perfect fumble]

Where's MCFC1632? We need him to lecture us on the art of the deal.

 

[metalblue]

metalblue vs meltonblue - it's hard to follow!

Honestly mate confuses me as well!! half the time I read meltons posts as my own ;)

 

[meltonblue]

They aren’t one and the same. The EU contracted for output from EU based facilities, non-EU facilities needed to be approved, except in the case of UK which was deeemed acceptable.

None of that explains why they can be considered competing agreements

UK sites class as EU, not just being deemed as acceptable.