Political relations between UK-EU

[mcfc1632]

No not letting go is the problem we have left look forward

Indeed, but at least some of us can look forwards

And, whilst it is early days, we seem to be able to do so without worrying about many thousands of lorries being parked up in Kent or planes being able to land etc. - something that we surely should all be pleased about

 

[Ban-jani]

Who specifically said they wanted open borders

We never had open borders

How do we know that the immigration system will improve ?

Seems unlikely given the governments lack of competence

Seems unlikely given that new trade deals will require a lot of immigration perhaps not too much economically but too much in the minds of the people who voted leave

Alternately Brexit forces will drive immigration down to too lower level Look at the shortages we have in the NHS etc we won’t fix this for decades without immigration at high levels

Also the current government could have used EU law to control EU law and chose not to and then chose not even after it became more widely known because it would have shown there incompetence

Bob did, on this thread. He wants global freedom of movement and that’s where the discussion began, you entered half way through.

The government might balls it up, but the system they’ve put into place is a better one for the country in my opinion, they might not implement it and put it into practice effectively, but the plan is better.

Seems unlikely given that new trade deals will require a lot of immigration perhaps not too much economically but too much in the minds of the people who voted leave

I have no idea what this means

Alternately Brexit forces will drive immigration down to too lower level Look at the shortages we have in the NHS etc we won’t fix this for decades without immigration at high levels

The beauty of the points system is we can fix it by making sure more doctors and nurses can reach 70pts. I am sure they are already in the “low jobs category” that grants 20, then if they’re qualified it’s another 20, speak English 10 and if the NHS offers jobs to these people that’s 20 again.

Also the current government could have used EU law to control EU law and chose not to and then chose not even after it became more widely known because it would have shown there incompetence

It’s incredibly hard to police when people can just enter without applying to come in. Getting those who have been here 6 months without a job is nigh on impossible when EU citizens can just enter on a whim.

They definitely didn’t have the capacity to do that but is true they didn’t want to admit it, because it would prove they didn’t even try.

 

[mcfc1632]

In terms of trade, it will. The main discussions over the next few years around that will be how we get back to as frictionless as possible, be that through technology or increased parity in certain sectors.

We’ll then be in the never ending state of swinging between the two - ease of trade vs control and autonomy of laws.

But - however that pendulum might swing - the most important consideration is that whilst the EU will progress towards full integration - the risk that the UK could be involved has disappeared for generations to come

So, I think that the future looks rosy for the UK

 

[mcfc1632]

There are going to be lots of stumbles along the way - this for example

Britons living in Spain barred from Madrid flight in post-Brexit travel row

British embassy says ‘this should not be happening’ after airline staff claim pre-Brexit ID documents are invalid

www.theguardian.com

I doubt that there being an administration cock-up here and there should be a surprise to anyone

But this sort of issue is a far cry from the predictions that planes could not fly etc.

That the fears of planes grounded and lorry queues of thousands of vehicles has stubbornly failed to materialise is something that I am sure that you will be delighted about?

 

[Ban-jani]

That's a bold claim that no-one on the planet wants a short sharp change in the culture of their society. As you hate the Chinese Commnist Party I assume that means all the Chinese are content with their culture. Personally, I'd be more than happy to have a short sharp change in British culture to be more tolerant of other cultures.

As you hate the Chinese Commnist Party I assume that means all the Chinese are content with their culture.

I’ve read this several times and can only presume you’d had a drink last night?

What does Chinese culture, that’s existed for thousands of years, have to do with the Chinese Communist Party? And what does me disliking their government have to do with them being content with their culture?

I'd be more than happy to have a short sharp change in British culture to be more tolerant of other cultures.

A) This doesn’t surprise me, I’ve had the impression for a while several people on here don’t really like their country much. Self-hatred in a societal sense is very prevalent with some on the left at the moment

B) To be tolerant of other people’s cultures you don’t need to change your own, especially not to match theirs, which is a sort of weird masochism

C) Thankfully your view continues to be hammered in the polls every election and is a small minority view

 

[I'm With Stupid]

This happens right now, all across the world, including in the UK.

The good thing is, the employer has to be able to prove they have exhausted the internal market first, before offering sponsorship, so it’s likely to bring unemployment down.

What is your alternative?

Well my alternative would have been the EU, but apparently some people didn't like that.

 

[meltonblue]

But - however that pendulum might swing - the most important consideration is that whilst the EU will progress towards full integration - the risk that the UK could be involved has disappeared for generations to come

So, I think that the future looks rosy for the UK

Well that depends on whether we can achieve integration still in trade that’s as seamless as possible. Hopefully technology can bring it.

There’s risks either way, ultimately we’re part of a global economy, anything happening within the EU, or any large trading block, will have an impact on us.

 

[mcfc1632]

Now you are comparing an immigration points system, used in New Zealand, Canada, Australia and many countries already, to the slave trade in America.

I actually think you’re one big WUM to be honest, nobody is that deluded.

A points based system that allows the UK to prioritise the skills and numbers needed should be welcomed by all IMO

It will lead to reduced unemployment in the UK

It will lead to improved public and private sector services

It is not inherently discriminatory - as was the system that the UK was obliged to adopt

Re your final point though we may disagree - hatred and bitterness can cause extreme levels of delusion

 

[Ban-jani]

Well my alternative would have been the EU, but apparently some people didn't like that.

I did like the EU overall but the immigration system was a terrible one.

Just my opinion of course.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

I did like the EU overall but the immigration system was a terrible one.

Just my opinion of course.

Well it's not an immigration system. That's kinda the point.