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Political relations between UK-EU
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blueparrot
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Maybe, instead of signing up for the shit option, we should have negotiated better first time and agreed one of the better deals on offer which did focus on a mutually beneficial arrangement. Instead we signed the shit one that means all the mutually beneficial arrangements need to be re negotiated from scratch.So we do nothing and let the EU decide what we can sell to them or not?
It's an option, obviously, but it looks like not one the government will be taking. I think it will be a case of trying to work constructively with the EU but with the option of targeted retaliatory measures if needed.
Len Rum
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The shellfish issue is a consequence of the agreement we ( the UK) signed and was actually known about by UKIP George prior to the signing of the agreement.Haha, says Len.
Obviously there will be nothing in it for you to take away but the gist of it is saying that the fact is we have left the EU and so the focus should be on working on a mutually beneficial relationship. He details how that isn't the case currently and there is also a suggestion that if the EU continues to be obstructive then there is a bit coming their way.
One bit I've read recently is that EU exports of bottled water are only allowed into the UK on a temporary basis. This may well not be renewed and it will hit mainly France. This is the equivalent or more of the EU shell fish ban.
So to impose new British standards on bottled water that the EU cannot meet is in effect a retaliatory action taken because we (the UK) are unhappy with what we (the UK) agreed and signed up to.
Can you see the duplicity and the reputational damage that could arise from this ( the chance of a USA trade deal for example )?
So - justification please?
Really? In Expressworld maybe: "It is thought about £17billion of water is imported to Britain from the EU making it a bigger market than shellfish".Haha, says Len.
Obviously there will be nothing in it for you to take away but the gist of it is saying that the fact is we have left the EU and so the focus should be on working on a mutually beneficial relationship. He details how that isn't the case currently and there is also a suggestion that if the EU continues to be obstructive then there is a bit coming their way.
One bit I've read recently is that EU exports of bottled water are only allowed into the UK on a temporary basis. This may well not be renewed and it will hit mainly France. This is the equivalent or more of the EU shell fish ban.
Evian, Perrier and San Pelligrino between them produce less than 10bn bottles a year. What they export to Britain is a drop in the ocean.
So German carmakers, Italian proseccio producers and now EU mineral water producers.... Unicorns live!
west didsblue
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£17 billion of water?Really? In Expressworld maybe: "It is thought about £17billion of water is imported to Britain from the EU making it a bigger market than shellfish".
Evian, Perrier and San Pelligrino between them produce less than 10bn bottles a year. What they export to Britain is a drop in the ocean.
So German carmakers, Italian proseccio producers and now EU mineral water producers.... Unicorns live!
As the total consumption is 28 billion litres and 20% is imported, each litre must cost £3. Add in transport and retailer’s profit each litre must cost about a fiver in Expressworld.
In reality a litre of overpriced French mineral water is about a quid so our total imports can’t be much more than a couple of billion. The extra costs due to non tariff barriers are going to reduce the demand anyway so any ban would have a marginal effect but it would give the EU a reason to retaliate against something that would hurt us more. Total folly to start a trade war that we can’t win.
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meltonblue
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That article by Frost in the Telegraph is disingenuous bollocks.
stonerblue
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Bottled water should be banned.Retaliation for what?
Implementing mutually agreed rules?
Using your example I would expect the UK bottled water industry to take advantage of the increased cost of importing Evian anyway and consumers will buy more British water, hopefully to offset reduced exports to some extent. A new natural balance will be found within the new rules. Everyone will be a bit worse off but that’s inevitable when trade barriers are erected, and it’s what we voted for.
bluethrunthru
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Bottled water should be banned.
Why? Is this the right time to be shutting down another uk industry?
west didsblue
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All that plastic waste fucks up the environment. I would have no problem if we banned imports as a starter. Not for Brexit reasons though, just environmental.Why? Is this the right time to be shutting down another uk industry?
bluethrunthru
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All that plastic waste fucks up the environment. I would have no problem if we banned imports as a starter. Not for Brexit reasons though, just environmental.
yeah coz that way they would stop selling it anywhere else too. And ketchup, brown sauce, salad cream and Coke would all go back to using glass bottles - I think there is other packaging we could tackle first. I agree with the sentiment but the approach is too idealistic