Political relations between UK-EU

You think Putin’s left wing??
I am glad you questioned that.

Putin is what i would describe as a National Conservative, definitely more Trump than Trotsky. He is a Nationalist, a believer in making Russia great again. Conversely he also employs the Gangsterism that Mussolini favoured. Given his closeness to Oligarchal power i would say he has far more fascist tendencies than anything else like the strongman image. He is also surprisingly for someone with a Communist upbringing a man of religion, he is said to be a devout follower of the Russian Orthodox tradition , disturbing co incidences of Hitler and the Catholic Church although Hitler was an occultist and I don't think there is evidence Putin is that fucking mental. Leftist though, no.
 
I am glad you questioned that.

Putin is what i would describe as a National Conservative, definitely more Trump than Trotsky. He is a Nationalist, a believer in making Russia great again. Conversely he also employs the Gangsterism that Mussolini favoured. Given his closeness to Oligarchal power i would say he has far more fascist tendencies than anything else like the strongman image. He is also surprisingly for someone with a Communist upbringing a man of religion, he is said to be a devout follower of the Russian Orthodox tradition , disturbing co incidences of Hitler and the Catholic Church although Hitler was an occultist and I don't think there is evidence Putin is that fucking mental. Leftist though, no.
In other words Putin is about as left wing as Nigel Farage.
 
"Brexit creating jobs scandal". More punchy. (Joke.....)
Have the import docs changed for Ghanaian bananas? They certainly didn't need to. Ghana isn't in the EU. These were the regs before we left the EU - https://www.gov.uk/guidance/import-...duce#taric-codes-and-the-uk-trade-tariff-tool. Not exactly seamless. And it is still on the Govts website.

The banana comment was that we should pay more for bananas to Ghanaian farmers, not a comment about tariffs. That's why I said "to the countries that grow them" to avoid confusion. But I failed. The treasury gets the tariff money. Obviously. It is 10% of the wholesale price of bananas which in Ghana is now about $0.48 (high end) so about 4p a kilo.

Oh, and your £2bn number looks a bit high - perfect for a bus!
I have no idea what point you're trying to make. The tariff appears to be 9.5p a kilo but it's a tax on a developing country's exports that may cut demand for that country's produce, and means we pay more for bananas.

£2bn is £40k for each new Brexit customs officer (wages, NI, training, other oncosts).
 
I nervously scanned the headlines this morning - anxious about just how bad it is in Dover and Kent generally now....

Struggled to find anything of note - still I suppose no news is good news?

Did find this - but I caution that it is early days yet and traffic levels are lower than normal. Still, I am sure that we are all pleased so far:

"Monday marked Kent's first major test since the end of the Brexit transition period on New Year's Eve.

New rules mean new customs paperwork is required for lorry drivers when they reach the Port of Dover or the Eurotunnel, that is in addition to the relatively recent requirements imposed by France to have a negative Covid test result.

However, so far things appear to have been running fairly smoothly."


No post-Brexit queues at Dover but future disruption 'difficult to predict' | Meridian | ITV News
 
In other words Putin is about as left wing as Nigel Farage.
Not quite.

Farage displays views from early 20th century conservatism, with a mixture of libertarianism, whilst being a bit of a prat alongside it... in essence I don’t think he’s the model of what conservatism or libertarianism is at its best because he’s a prat, so don’t judge it via him. He’s a bit dad’s army-ish.

Farage isn’t authoritarian and wouldn’t be if he gained power, which is obviously practically impossible.

Putin is very authoritarian and isn’t too dissimilar from the Chinese Communist Party, in the way he uses capitalism but highly regulates it, to the point that he’ll have oligarchs killed and their assets stolen, if they step out of line.

In that way he does display extreme left wing authoritarian tendencies but I wouldn’t describe him as a Communist.

We’re always best off looking at politics like a horse shoe, rather than left vs right on a flat line.

When you’re at the extreme ends of the horse shoe, despite there being a gap, you look very similar to your counterpart at the other end. The difference between Stalin and Hitler was that Stalin hated ethno-politics but was still willing to kill millions of people who weren’t either onboard or helpful to the cause.

The two ends at the bottom of this graph are actually very similar, interestingly Hitler talked about redistribution of wealth, seized wealth from rich Jewish people to give to poorer Germans etc.

95%+ of people are between left and right, towards the top of the graph, despite the fact that people sling insults about others being extremists all the time.

You could even put Farage probably slap bang on the word “right” there.

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I nervously scanned the headlines this morning - anxious about just how bad it is in Dover and Kent generally now....

Struggled to find anything of note - still I suppose no news is good news?

Did find this - but I caution that it is early days yet and traffic levels are lower than normal. Still, I am sure that we are all pleased so far:

"Monday marked Kent's first major test since the end of the Brexit transition period on New Year's Eve.

New rules mean new customs paperwork is required for lorry drivers when they reach the Port of Dover or the Eurotunnel, that is in addition to the relatively recent requirements imposed by France to have a negative Covid test result.

However, so far things appear to have been running fairly smoothly."


No post-Brexit queues at Dover but future disruption 'difficult to predict' | Meridian | ITV News

Loads of broccoli etc in Aldi this morning; fuck knows what I’m going to do with all these palettes of tinned food. Hopefully, eBay do the £1 final value fees deal soon.
 
Back to the shares trade shifting...FT has put a figure on it. Great start, chaps. I can see the glimmer of sunlit uplands, which coincidentally is also the name of an orange drink no longer available in NI.*

‘Nearly 6bn of euro-denominated share trading shifted away from the City to new EU hubs on the first trading day of 2021‘ @FT


* I may have made this up.
I loved a nice cold glass of "Sunlit Uplands" as a kid......grrr, bloody Brexit *shakes fist
 
Not quite.

Farage displays views from early 20th century conservatism, with a mixture of libertarianism, whilst being a bit of a prat alongside it... in essence I don’t think he’s the model of what conservatism or libertarianism is at its best because he’s a prat, so don’t judge it via him. He’s a bit dad’s army-ish.

Farage isn’t authoritarian and wouldn’t be if he gained power, which is obviously practically impossible.

Putin is very authoritarian and isn’t too dissimilar from the Chinese Communist Party, in the way he uses capitalism but highly regulates it, to the point that he’ll have oligarchs killed and their assets stolen, if they step out of line.

In that way he does display extreme left wing authoritarian tendencies but I wouldn’t describe him as a Communist.

We’re always best off looking at politics like a horse shoe, rather than left vs right on a flat line.

When you’re at the extreme ends of the horse shoe, despite there being a gap, you look very similar to your counterpart at the other end. The difference between Stalin and Hitler was that Stalin hated ethno-politics but was still willing to kill millions of people who weren’t either onboard or helpful to the cause.

The two ends at the bottom of this graph are actually very similar, interestingly Hitler talked about redistribution of wealth, seized wealth from rich Jewish people to give to poorer Germans etc.

95%+ of people are between left and right, towards the top of the graph, despite the fact that people sling insults about others being extremists all the time.

You could even put Farage probably slap bang on the word “right” there.

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I think you're overanalysing my comment. I was just using Farage as a stereotypical right winger. I could have used Johnson, Thatcher or Enoch Powell for that matter to make the same point.

However you're being far too kind to Farage in your analysis by just calling him a prat and Dads Armyish. Each character on Dad's Army, irrespective of their daftness and pomposity had their heart in the right place. That can't be said for Farage. In fact Farage and Putin have more in common than you might think. They're both ultra nationalists but above all they're grifters looking after number one. I don't think assessing them on a left right scale is relevant. For them it's about narcissism, grifting and power and their ideology would shift accordingly in pursuit of those things. Similar to Trump but not quite as stupid.
 

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