Political relations between UK-EU

[Shadz69]

I don’t even know what the first part of your post means or is getting at. Of course you can form an opinion and I can form an opinion that you don’t live here so are ignorant in your opinion and should take more care about

I don’t even know what the first part of your post means or is getting at. Of course you can form an opinion and I can form an opinion that you don’t live here so are ignorant in your opinion and should take more care about yourselves.

Your government has removed the veil of decency and fair play you once had, well and truly removed. News conferences nonstop denying corruption, cronyism and fuckups across the board. All freely available for the world to view. Yep I'm the one living in ignorance.

 

[Octavian]

Your government has removed the veil of decency and fair play you once had, well and truly removed. News conferences nonstop denying corruption, cronyism and fuckups across the board. All freely available for the world to view. Yep I'm the one living in ignorance.

I’ve never once claimed the government hasn’t engaged in corruption but what cheek does your fellow Irishmen have to talk about “loons” in the UK in reference to a Democratic vote? The nerve of it. The veil of decency we once had? When? Under Cameron? Blair? You must have missed the tobacco fiasco with the F1 over here, as blatant a corruption as you’ll see and that was years ago. Political decency has not been there for a very long time pal. But by the way, irish politics has been a joke for many a year when it comes to corruption. In fact it was not so long ago the most corrupt place for politics in the West. My view was the Irish people deserve better at the time but I held my tongue whilst I was in Ireland as an Englishman as it was your business, your pal decides to come on an English based website and call the majority of the electorate here “loons”, which he’s entitled to if the website owner lets him but it’s still a cunts trick.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

I’ve never once claimed the government hasn’t engaged in corruption but what cheek does your fellow Irishmen have to talk about “loons” in the UK in reference to a Democratic vote? The nerve of it. The veil of decency we once had? When? Under Cameron? Blair? You must have missed the tobacco fiasco with the F1 over here, as blatant a corruption as you’ll see and that was years ago. Political decency has not been there for a very long time pal. But by the way, irish politics has been a joke for many a year when it comes to corruption. In fact it was not so long ago the most corrupt place for politics in the West. My view was the Irish people deserve better at the time but I held my tongue whilst I was in Ireland as an Englishman as it was your business, your pal decides to come on an English based website and call the majority of the electorate here “loons”, which he’s entitled to if the website owner lets him but it’s still a cunts trick.

Yes under Cameron.
Yes under Brown.
yes under Blair.
Yes under Major.
Yes under Thatcher.

No under the current fucking loons. I’m an Englishman and I agree with the Irishmen.

 

[Octavian]

Yes under Cameron.
Yes under Brown.
yes under Blair.
Yes under Major.
Yes under Thatcher.

No under the current fucking loons. I’m an Englishman and I agree with the Irishmen.

There’s one or two Englishmen that do and have said the same and that’s why they’ve felt confident enough to say it themselves. Only difference is you live here and aren’t a cheeky fucker for doing it.

I disagree with several of the above. Thatcher engaged in corruption to sort her son Mark out in the Middle East. Blair’s government was rife for it and let’s just look at Cameron and Grensill that was news recently to show how “dodgy Dave” is dodgy.

No doubt this lot currently are corrupt as fuck but it’s always been there and has been more prevalent in Ireland in recent history. I just don’t see there issues as either my business or that it makes their people “loons”.

 

[Didsbury Dave]

There’s one or two Englishmen that do and have said the same and that’s why they’ve felt confident enough to say it themselves. Only difference is you live here and aren’t a cheeky fucker for doing it.

I disagree with several of the above. Thatcher engaged in corruption to sort her son Mark out in the Middle East. Blair’s government was rife for it and let’s just look at Cameron and Grensill that was news recently to show how “dodgy Dave” is dodgy.

No doubt this lot currently are corrupt as fuck but it’s always been there and has been more prevalent in Ireland in recent history. I just don’t see there issues as either my business or that it makes their people “loons”.

I don’t know how old you are but I’ve lived through every one of those governments. Some I voted for. Some I didn’t. Some I supported. Some I didn’t. Some contained charlatans, some contained liars. They all contained people who believed in what they said, however much I disagreed.

But the only government in my 51 years on the planet who were fundamentally both dishonest and incompetent to the core, and as a whole, Is this one. They are an abomination of a government who have hounded out their competent members for the sake of dogma and lies. They are a house of cards built on smoke and mirrors and bullshit. Every person like you who facilitates and excuses them by saying “they are all liars” is complicit in their bullshit.

You have bullshit on your hands.

 

[lloydie]

Wait. You voted for something you didn’t agree with, in the hope that someone else would veto it, in case our lot negotiated the same thing you didn’t agree with? God loves a gambler and all that.

Anyroads looks like we cancelled each other out, we should have stayed at home ;)

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If you followed what was happening on the continent at the time it was clear, as was the Tory's position.
It was the feather in the remain cap for me.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Nice that you can speak for the rest of the world.

I think your main problem is being kept up to date on the UK’s politics by this website.

Nobody actually out there in the real world talks about Brexit anymore and life has gone on as before, other than the glaring obvious with the pandemic.

Not speaking for the rest of the world.
I said it’s what is be presented in your own news.
It is certainly what we see over here and I beg to differ regarding who talks about Brexit in the real world.

My real world is over here in Ireland and we are affected more than most by what happens in the UK and the average Joe Soap over here is more than aware of the fragility of the NIP in particular and the unpredictability of what you call a government. They are untrustworthy. How can you negotiate in good faith with them.

Covid most definitely is the number one concern over here as business here has planned without the usual UK market chains where necessary, since before Brexit, but even at that we are well aware of the differences in policy North and South of the border.

We see things very different over here, but rest assured we are politically aware.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I think people outside the UK who view this website must think things are horrendous, when it’s just not true.

I’ve not heard a single person mention Brexit other than this website, and a couple of articles, I’ve seen in months.

Those who hate the country that live here are entitled to say what they want but I’m not having someone who doesn’t even live here and reads this website saying how shit the UK. Covid apart the economy and jobs are doing pretty well.

When did I say the UK was shit?
Don’t put words in my mouth because you misinterpret what I actually write.
You have a media that presents this stuff to the world.
I watch BBC and BBC NI political programs as well as our own stations here.
I have plenty of wonderful friends in Britain, I have also met plenty of blinkered people through the years.That’s just a fact.
We’ve enough of our own over here.
I don’t hate Britain, the UK or England for that matter.
Haven’t been in the political threads for a while but if you know anything of my writing history in here that would be very evident to you.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I don’t doubt that about government faces, we’ve a circus clown in charge. I just don’t think the UK is in that bad of a position generally and the guy I originally replied to was insinuating there’s something a lot more rotten about the UK than actually is to live here, which I’m not having off someone who doesn’t even live here and reads the endless negativity on this website. People are risking their lives to get here in record numbers, it cannot be that bad.

Don’t have it off me then. You’re totally missing the point anyway, so why should it matter to me.
I don’t get my news from this website. I’m sure regular life is fine in Britain.
My comments were on how your government is portrayed and interpreted beyond your own borders.

Take umbrage all you like.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Have we put Johnny foreigner firmly in his place yet?

Yes. I’m safely back in my box.
I can see why I gave this place a wide berth for so long.