Political relations between UK-EU

[mancity2012_eamo]

Wasn't the point that from outside, we're an untrustworthy laughing stock? So whatever has made us that is their business (avoid us) and our business (lying to the people). Unless of course we are an island nation and if nobody likes us, we don't care.

I didn’t say laughing stock either, so don’t add fuel to the fire there either.
But that’s pretty close to what I was saying.
Believe me, nobody is laughing over here.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I couldn’t give a fuck about Brexit anymore, I merely caught a glimpse of an Irishman having a pop at the UK when he doesn’t live here. Fuck him

Thank you very much.
You just don’t get it.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I’ve never once claimed the government hasn’t engaged in corruption but what cheek does your fellow Irishmen have to talk about “loons” in the UK in reference to a Democratic vote? The nerve of it. The veil of decency we once had? When? Under Cameron? Blair? You must have missed the tobacco fiasco with the F1 over here, as blatant a corruption as you’ll see and that was years ago. Political decency has not been there for a very long time pal. But by the way, irish politics has been a joke for many a year when it comes to corruption. In fact it was not so long ago the most corrupt place for politics in the West. My view was the Irish people deserve better at the time but I held my tongue whilst I was in Ireland as an Englishman as it was your business, your pal decides to come on an English based website and call the majority of the electorate here “loons”, which he’s entitled to if the website owner lets him but it’s still a cunts trick.

Dear god go back and read what I was replying to.
I see you object to the word ‘loon’. Fair point. I could have chosen better.
However you either didn’t watch the clip of the gobshite I was replying about or you are deliberately misinterpreting me. I never said the majority of the electorate are loons.
I’ll make it very clear.
My point is that although the MAJORITY of people I know in the UK are wonderful, but I’ve met plenty that would consume the garbage that man was spouting.

You are 100% correct about the sleeze of successive Fianna Fail governments from Haughey/Reynolds/Ahern through to Cowen and beyond but politics is definitely changed over here and PR has a lot to do with it.

If you genuinely misinterpreted or didn’t read the full thread, fine. I hope I’ve cleared it up for you.
If however you are deliberately misrepresenting my contribution to save face by taking umbrage where none is due, then that really is a cunts trick.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Yes under Cameron.
Yes under Brown.
yes under Blair.
Yes under Major.
Yes under Thatcher.

No under the current fucking loons. I’m an Englishman and I agree with the Irishmen.

Listen.
That’s also your interpretation of the word ‘loon’ and what I was referring to.
If you’re agreeing with me let’s be clear about what I meant.
I’ve replied to the guy and hope I’ve made myself clear.
If not I’ll let you all get on with it. I’ve enough troubles of my own.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Here we go - more lies about to be laid bare

 

[Octavian]

Not speaking for the rest of the world.
I said it’s what is be presented in your own news.
It is certainly what we see over here and I beg to differ regarding who talks about Brexit in the real world.

My real world is over here in Ireland and we are affected more than most by what happens in the UK and the average Joe Soap over here is more than aware of the fragility of the NIP in particular and the unpredictability of what you call a government. They are untrustworthy. How can you negotiate in good faith with them.

Covid most definitely is the number one concern over here as business here has planned without the usual UK market chains where necessary, since before Brexit, but even at that we are well aware of the differences in policy North and South of the border.

We see things very different over here, but rest assured we are politically aware.

How the fuck can you possibly know what is discussed here out and about on a regular basis?

 

[Octavian]

Don’t have it off me then. You’re totally missing the point anyway, so why should it matter to me.
I don’t get my news from this website. I’m sure regular life is fine in Britain.
My comments were on how your government is portrayed and interpreted beyond your own borders.

Take umbrage all you like.

I take umbrage at you calling a significant part of the British electorate loons. You can say the British government are untrustworthy all you want and you’re welcome to moan about the NI border issue but the British electorate are free to vote for whoever they want without your input.

 

[Octavian]

When did I say the UK was shit?
Don’t put words in my mouth because you misinterpret what I actually write.
You have a media that presents this stuff to the world.
I watch BBC and BBC NI political programs as well as our own stations here.
I have plenty of wonderful friends in Britain, I have also met plenty of blinkered people through the years.That’s just a fact.
We’ve enough of our own over here.
I don’t hate Britain, the UK or England for that matter.
Haven’t been in the political threads for a while but if you know anything of my writing history in here that would be very evident to you.

You didn’t directly but your entire post insinuated the UK was shit. It’s not other than Covid, day to day life outside of the shitty pandemic hasn’t changed.

 

[Octavian]

I don’t know how old you are but I’ve lived through every one of those governments. Some I voted for. Some I didn’t. Some I supported. Some I didn’t. Some contained charlatans, some contained liars. They all contained people who believed in what they said, however much I disagreed.

But the only government in my 51 years on the planet who were fundamentally both dishonest and incompetent to the core, and as a whole, Is this one. They are an abomination of a government who have hounded out their competent members for the sake of dogma and lies. They are a house of cards built on smoke and mirrors and bullshit. Every person like you who facilitates and excuses them by saying “they are all liars” is complicit in their bullshit.

You have bullshit on your hands.

I lived through all of them and voted for several of them too but I didn’t vote for this lot last time and therefore whatever bullshit they do isn’t my fault for posting on this website. My point wasn’t that they are any better or worst than previous, you may well be right they do seem to be particularly corrupt as it’s every week a new story, just I said that corruption and lack of decency has been always there throughout my life in government and it doesn’t reflect the entire population of this country and doesn’t warrant the loons comment about people in Britain. Ireland had a corruption epidemic for a long long time and it wasn’t the fault of ordinary people, it’s just many politicians are self serving cunts.

 

[BobKowalski]

UK has deferred introduction of its own chemical regulatory body

‘UK gov is to give biz another two years to adjust to post-#Brexit UK REACH chemicals safety database that industry warned would cost £1bn to needlessly duplicate EU REACH’ @FT

A bespoke regime makes no sense and industry and Environmental groups are set against the idea. Betting is that we quietly end up allowing EU to set the standards and we follow along.

Unlike illegal Xmas parties, no one will ever notice and no one cares :)