Political relations between UK-EU

[west didsblue]

Exactly this. Now I’m sure the agreement with EU didn’t state what nets must be used on their fishing boats. Perhaps we should say only nets made in UK are acceptable to be able to fish on non UK registered boats in UK waters from here on in. I’m sure the EU boats won’t have the right paperwork but we need 50 forms filled in to support their claim the nets were made here...it’s all in the name of caring about what type of nets these fish are caught in so really they can’t complain right? It doesn’t matter the EU made nets are identical to the UK ones either we have new legislation we want to enact. See being a **** is easy in this game.

Seems to be a lot of gnashing of teeth about being treated the same as any other third country.

It's what we voted for.

 

[west didsblue]

Fair enough.
To refer back to Dover, the issues that have been put up over the past months
are now shown to be what they are, scaremongering nonsense. What amazes
me though is intelligent people expecting what never happens, to be just
around the corner if we wait long enough.

The potential issues at Dover were raised by Michael Gove. If they were scaremongering nonsense, it's this government that started it.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/michael-gove-leaked-warning-no-deal-brexit-a4554116.html
This was in relation to no deal.
However we have a deal and the queues aren't there. Not because of the potential problems not being real but because a majority of the lorries heading to the EU are empty and it doesn't take long to check an empty lorry.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Are you saying lorry parks aren't real or exports of fish aren't affected?

When trying to find out what's happening in the country you really should do more than pluck news from up your own arse. I suspect you don't really want to do that because you might not like what you find.

You are in total denial now because your take on all this has proved, yet again
to be totally wrong. As expected, you took government action to prepare
for the most extreme scenarios and presented them as what would be happening. We are now into around 6 weeks after severing all ties, thousands
of lorries are travelling through Kent and Dover with no issues, this has grated,
and the miniscule shellfish industry disruption appears to be your only outlet.
Even the explanations of what is happening with this do not take hold, and you push on.
So tell us how many lorries are parked up, and show us the pics.

 

[metalblue]

Seems to be a lot of gnashing of teeth about being treated the same as any other third country.

It's what we voted for.

See my earlier post which has been conveniently sidestepped. For ease. The EU told us late 2019 that this would be ok, with no new legislation they have changed their mind (bureaucratic interpretation) for which they have the right to do so but is it right to do so?

As my nets example is doing exactly the same as they have done can I presume you are agreeing the EU are simply gnashing their teeth here?

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Exactly this. Now I’m sure the agreement with EU didn’t state what nets must be used on their fishing boats. Perhaps we should say only nets made in UK are acceptable to be able to fish on non UK registered boats in UK waters from here on in. I’m sure the EU boats won’t have the right paperwork but we need 50 forms filled in to support their claim the nets were made here...it’s all in the name of caring about what type of nets these fish are caught in so really they can’t complain right? It doesn’t matter the EU made nets are identical to the UK ones either we have new legislation we want to enact. See being a **** is easy in this game.

Exactly. Those still clinging, precariously, to Ursulas skirt really never understood what would happen here, the UK is, typically, responding with restraint, but we won't forever.
As you say, playing the **** is a nasty, self defeating ploy, the **** you are playing has the capability to be an even bigger **** if it continues.

 

[west didsblue]

You are in total denial now because your take on all this has proved, yet again
to be totally wrong. As expected, you took government action to prepare
for the most extreme scenarios and presented them as what would be happening. We are now into around 6 weeks after severing all ties, thousands
of lorries are travelling through Kent and Dover with no issues, this has grated,
and the miniscule shellfish industry disruption appears to be your only outlet.
Even the explanations of what is happening with this do not take hold, and you push on.
So tell us how many lorries are parked up, and show us the pics.

Ok, lorry parks aren't real and Michael Gove didn't start the scaremongering and the fish are happy. No one is paying huge surcharges for imports, and exports aren't hugely down. There's no problems with the Irish Sea border and everyone in NI is delighted with how it's going.

Got it.

 

[meltonblue]

Fair enough.
To refer back to Dover, the issues that have been put up over the past months
are now shown to be what they are, scaremongering nonsense. What amazes
me though is intelligent people expecting what never happens, to be just
around the corner if we wait long enough.

Again it works both ways. People are just too emotionally invested in this particular topic.

 

[Ban-jani]

That's a relief. It's only fish affected by Brexit, and they're actually happy now.

Is it worse than all those that were killed during and following the Iraq War and the subsequent terrorist actions around the world that followed, based on a lie?

In fact, I don’t need you to answer that, don’t worry.

 

[west didsblue]

Is it worse than all those that were killed during and following the Iraq War and the subsequent terrorist actions around the world that followed, based on a lie?

In fact, I don’t need you to answer that, don’t worry.

There was only one person making that irrelevant comparison and now you've jumped on the bandwagon, and yes I won't answer that question because it's a straw man.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

However we have a deal and the queues aren't there. Not because of the potential problems not being real but because a majority of the lorries heading to the EU are empty and it doesn't take long to check an empty lorry

Oh, I see what you're saying now, silly me.
Let's just assume they're all empty, it doesn't seem to be a very efficient way
of running a haulage business, but I'll play along. When these lorries are eventually full, if there are any businesses left to fill them, they are going to be stuck in their thousands in lorry parks in Kent, am I right?
So, for another week or so, you can keep your fingers crossed in the hope
this one chink of light bursts into brilliant sunlight.
Which date would you like your apocalypse pencilled in for?

 

[Ancient Citizen]

See my earlier post which has been conveniently sidestepped. For ease. The EU told us late 2019 that this would be ok, with no new legislation they have changed their mind (bureaucratic interpretation) for which they have the right to do so but is it right to do so?

As my nets example is doing exactly the same as they have done can I presume you are agreeing the EU are simply gnashing their teeth here?

It is a very tricky one to answer this, it seems.

 

[west didsblue]

Oh, I see what you're saying now, silly me.
Let's just assume they're all empty, it doesn't seem to be a very efficient way
of running a haulage business, but I'll play along. When these lorries are eventually full, if there are any businesses left to fill them, they are going to be stuck in their thousands in lorry parks in Kent, am I right?
So, for another week or so, you can keep your fingers crossed in the hope
this one chink of light bursts into brilliant sunlight.
Which date would you like your apocalypse pencilled in for?

Why have they built the lorry parks?
Oh I forgot, they're not real.

 

[Ban-jani]

There was only one person making that irrelevant comparison and now you've jumped on the bandwagon, and yes I won't answer that question because it's a straw man.

Whilst other posters were defending Campbell.

I don’t think you know what a straw man means.

It’s not a straw man if you accurately describe what Campbell actually did.

 

[metalblue]

It is a very tricky one to answer this, it seems.

I’ll wait

 

[west didsblue]

See my earlier post which has been conveniently sidestepped. For ease. The EU told us late 2019 that this would be ok, with no new legislation they have changed their mind (bureaucratic interpretation) for which they have the right to do so but is it right to do so?

As my nets example is doing exactly the same as they have done can I presume you are agreeing the EU are simply gnashing their teeth here?

The EU are doing what they are legally entitled to do because we backed down and signed up for a deal that was favourable to them because it was better than the No Deal alternative. We might not like it and it might not be fair but it's the position we put ourselves in.

 

[west didsblue]

Whilst other posters were defending Campbell.

I don’t think you know what a straw man means.

It’s not a straw man if you accurately describe what Campbell actually did.

After Campbell was mentioned, he was compared to Cummings. Then it was argued that what Cummings did was fine compared to Campbell. It's a fucking bollocks argument.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Why have they built the lorry parks?
Oh I forgot, they're not real.

You are now ignoring what's in front of your eyes, that point above has been addressed, but I'll repeat it again. This was an extreme case scenario undertaken by people who understood what the EU was capable of, it's
a precaution against the (albeit minor) shenanigans being acted out over shellfish. Queues have not happened, and won't happen now, covid excepted.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I’ll wait

It may be a long one.

 

[Ban-jani]

After Campbell was mentioned, he was compared to Cummings. Then it was argued that what Cummings did was fine compared to Campbell. It's a fucking bollocks argument.

Why’s it a “fucking bollocks argument”?

 

[west didsblue]

Why’s it a “fucking bollocks argument”?

Clear unrelated whataboutery.