It’s all very well you posting what appear to be actual things about the negative short term impacts of Brexit on actual people but no one is going to take them seriously unless you post your predicted line up in the Birmingham match thread
And anyway, those warehouse staff who appear to have been laid off and those inconvenienced Scottish fishermen should be looking to the new opportunities Brexit gives them
Cobblers. Yes, fish is a small part of the economy, but Remainers wanted no change. Brexiters wanted Brexit in order to reverse decline in fishing (fail), to keep EU boats out of UK waters (fail), and boost exports (woeful fail).The fish point is actually incredibly true.
Nearly every person on here who voted remain was saying to fuck the fishing industry as its 0.01% of GDP, if it meant a deal over no deal, myself included.
Now they spend every waking minute posting articles at how bad the fishing industry has gone.
I am consistent, I feel bad for those who work in that industry but on the scale of things, there’s far worse issues affected by Covid and it’s still 0.01% of GDP. The industry isn’t totally fucked but even if it was I’d have sacrificed it for a deal, over no deal.
This whole thread is a point scoring exercise and I actually saw one poster, who’s guilty of doing just that, accusing someone of scouting the internet to find negative Biden articles, in another thread, whilst he does the same all day every day in here.
It’s just bizarre stuff really but it is somewhat explainable.
Some of them haven’t got what they wanted at the ballot for 11 years. That’s a pretty long time to see your fellow citizens continuously rejecting your views every time of asking. They’re bitter and look at everything with a negative slant now. Not just this thread but the others on this sub forum. Apparently the UK is “regressive little shit hole country” according to some.
The reality is the vast vast majority of people aren’t really affected by Brexit. The job market saw no dip over December and January, in fact it grew in the sectors I work in. Salaries haven’t been affected, food still costs the same. The economy is set to do reasonably well. The biggest economic issue is still the pandemic. Yes, some companies have had issues exporting and yes the fishing industry is struggling, but fuck me, cheer up, the cliff edge hasn’t happened, we’re better clear of them for the sake of vaccines, which is far more important than selling shellfish and life is good.
And this post simply confirms that the UK is far better being out of an organisation that creates this kind of conflict. When deals are struck and hands are shaken, and the other side starts to see that the results of their stultifying bureaucracy are massively detrimental to themselves, and shown in stark detail to be, to by the nimble operator over the water, to then reactProbably. Brexit allows both sides to bugger each other, albeit one side has much more to bugger the other side with.
None of this helps anyone, but when countries decide to raise trade barriers it creates conflict and this is the inevitable result. Shellfish is just a foretaste of things to come.
Still, it’s nice to see that you are beginning to appreciate where the folly of Brexit leads. Instead of trade zipping back and forth with hardly a care in the world, we now have endless form filling, reduced trade, pointless regulations, an internal customs border and everyone playing silly buggers.
Nimble operator? Hmm, OK thenAnd this post simply confirms that the UK is far better being out of an organisation that creates this kind of conflict. When deals are struck and hands are shaken, and the other side starts to see that the results of their stultifying bureaucracy are massively detrimental to themselves, and shown in stark detail to be, to by the nimble operator over the water, to then react
in the manner they have, that's no basis for harmony.
And yes, we're aware there 'Will be more to come,' and that means consequences.
Had your jab yet mate?What a dreary long post to say nothing matters. Nihilist Brexit.
I'm quoting your favourite criminal negligent, uppity Ursula.Nimble operator? Hmm, OK then
This really is the nub of it, but what I can't fathom is the perpetuation ofSome of them haven’t got what they wanted at the ballot for 11 years. That’s a pretty long time to see your fellow citizens continuously rejecting your views every time of asking. They’re bitter and look at everything with a negative slant now. Not just this thread but the others on this sub forum. Apparently the UK is “regressive little shit hole country” according to some.
We created the conflict by choosing to leave the organisation whose bureaucracy has removed such conflicts throughout Europe.And this post simply confirms that the UK is far better being out of an organisation that creates this kind of conflict. When deals are struck and hands are shaken, and the other side starts to see that the results of their stultifying bureaucracy are massively detrimental to themselves, and shown in stark detail to be, to by the nimble operator over the water, to then react
in the manner they have, that's no basis for harmony.
And yes, we're aware there 'Will be more to come,' and that means consequences.
I was just going out when this shit popped up, lol.We created the conflict by choosing to leave the organisation whose bureaucracy has removed such conflicts throughout Europe.
You really should get off that unicorn.
I think you have a firm grasp of the wrong end of the stick.I was just going out when this shit popped up, lol.
Nothing to do with NATO at all, the Russkies were terrified about Juncker
and Ursula, a pisshead and a former German defence minister who was sacked, as the army was using brush handles, that's what kept them at bay.
How is that EU army that you said they weren't getting anyway?
Cobblers. Yes, fish is a small part of the economy, but Remainers wanted no change. Brexiters wanted Brexit in order to reverse decline in fishing (fail), to keep EU boats out of UK waters (fail), and boost exports (woeful fail).
If Brexit has killed the fishing industry, that's down to Brexit, and Brexiters who didn't understand Brexit, including half the fishing industry, and most of the government.
I cannot wait for our friend from Dids and the others to claim this is a distraction from the real issue, the shellfish.Away from fishing and pending wars with the EU
COVID: EU continued to struggle with supply constraints, logistical issues, and slow approval of vaccines. On current rates they will struggle to vaccinate all over 50s by year end. Rates will likely pickup but will run into a headwind of falling cases and deaths reducing the public’s appetite for the “jab”. Periodic easing of lockdown (similar to 2020) with sustainable exit from restrictions not happening until early 2022 without a concerted effort from authorities in the next couple of months but Ursula is fighting challenges on several fronts. Biggest risk to EU economic recovery, markets still pricing in a euro zone recovery to marginally outperform UK...watch this space.
I cannot wait for our friend from Dids and the others to claim this is a distraction from the real issue, the shellfish.
Forget the vaccine, the cockles are where the UK’s survival will be won and lost.
I've never said it. I wanted to protect UK shellfish exporters and Dutch fishers catching herring in UK waters. All I got from any Brexiter was the bloviator saying I didn't understand.The cobblers will be fine when lockdown is over, don’t think they are affected.
Remainers , me included, said the best outcome a few months ago was now a deal and fishing should be sacrificed to get a deal. We all said it, you can pretend that didn’t happen and whilst I don’t know if you said it yourself or not, the majority of us did. It was the general attitude on here.
To be fair, I did say I don’t know what you said, I didn’t want to speak for you but the the common view, held by me also, was that fishing should be sacrificed for a deal if needs be, because it’s such a small industry, affecting so few people.I've never said it. I wanted to protect UK shellfish exporters and Dutch fishers catching herring in UK waters. All I got from any Brexit was the bloviator saying I didn't understand.
I said stuff like
"Deep sea fishing may continue to decline (as it has since well before the CFP) but a no deal Brexit may ruin the profitable and (arguably) sustainable inshore fisheries and fishfarms by losing us our export markets (by tariffs, and queues at Dover including the lorries taking Scottish langoustines to French markets)".
The UK was using that leverage of EU access to UK waters to stall on a deal. Goodness knows what our team thought they'd get but they didn't get it, and they have sacrificed UK exporters in the mad hope of getting a better deal than they have.
Brexit is entirely to blame for this.
It would be ironic if eating large amounts of shellfish turned out to be a miracle cure for COVID. :)I cannot wait for our friend from Dids and the others to claim this is a distraction from the real issue, the shellfish.
Forget the vaccine, the cockles are where the UK’s survival will be won and lost.
Conflicts pmslWe created the conflict by choosing to leave the organisation whose bureaucracy has removed such conflicts throughout Europe.
You really should get off that unicorn.
And now they're pretending to champion their plight, not because they care about them or their industry, merely because they want to use it as an example of how "bwexit has destroyed lives and must be stopped!!"The Damascene conversion of some on the remain side is good to see regards concern for fishermen.
I well remember the cheering on here when the white multi-millionaire Bob Geldof and his white middle class affluent establishment chums sailed a motor launch down the
Thames for the sole (see what I did there?) purpose (porpoise?) of giving the universally accepted ‘wanker sign’ and ‘V sign’ to poor fishermen and women.
That was the moment when I realised Remain had to be defeated. No matter what. At any cost. That was the moment, on national television, when people like me saw exactly what people like them thought of me.
I’m thankful to say we won.