Political relations between UK-EU

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Not been on this thread for a long time.
With Covid causing divisions in opinion (and highly charged) I'm not sure I want to side up on anything else atm.

Antivaxxers/anti lockdown/covid deniers brainwashing with glee it's a real dark world out there at the moment.

I end up thinking:

"Am I normal in thinking Covid is genuine threat (I'm, still suffering) AND Brexit may have been an awful idea?"

There's a real bite when these things are discussed now and it's getting rather unpleasant.
 
Shortage corner...

Bus services will be cut. Not enough drivers. Driving tests well behind. Drivers leaving to work driving wagons (to replace EU drivers). And bus companies can't now recruit from EU.
 
another pre-Brexit none - issue thats going to cripple us - all these wins !! Nothing was thought thru was it?

edition.cnn.com

Analysis: The explosive Brexit spat that no one is talking about could slam the UK economy

Boris Johnson has spent decades agitating against the European Union and the last five years battling to free the United Kingdom from the shackles of regulation from Brussels. Now he's in the awkward position of finding himself at the mercy of EU leaders for permission to rejoin an international...
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bluethrunthru said:
another pre-Brexit none - issue thats going to cripple us - all these wins !! Nothing was thought thru was it?

edition.cnn.com

Analysis: The explosive Brexit spat that no one is talking about could slam the UK economy

Boris Johnson has spent decades agitating against the European Union and the last five years battling to free the United Kingdom from the shackles of regulation from Brussels. Now he's in the awkward position of finding himself at the mercy of EU leaders for permission to rejoin an international...
edition.cnn.com edition.cnn.com
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Oh dear. Did no-one predict this?

hcegroup.co.uk

What impact might Brexit have on enforcement?%%%%%

What impact might Brexit have on enforcement? ..... impact of a Brexit might be on the enforcement of judgments against defendants outside the UK.....
hcegroup.co.uk hcegroup.co.uk

"The UK would also be reliant on the willingness of the EU to create new arrangements, such as accepting the UK under the Lugano Convention, or whether individual treaties would need to be signed"
 
Vic said:
Oh dear. Did no-one predict this?

hcegroup.co.uk

What impact might Brexit have on enforcement?%%%%%

What impact might Brexit have on enforcement? ..... impact of a Brexit might be on the enforcement of judgments against defendants outside the UK.....
hcegroup.co.uk hcegroup.co.uk

"The UK would also be reliant on the willingness of the EU to create new arrangements, such as accepting the UK under the Lugano Convention, or whether individual treaties would need to be signed"
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As we know Brexiters filed it all under Project Fear. As I said they thought fuck all through and the impact on the UK will be negative and will last for years.
 
bluethrunthru said:
another pre-Brexit none - issue thats going to cripple us - all these wins !! Nothing was thought thru was it?

edition.cnn.com

Analysis: The explosive Brexit spat that no one is talking about could slam the UK economy

Boris Johnson has spent decades agitating against the European Union and the last five years battling to free the United Kingdom from the shackles of regulation from Brussels. Now he's in the awkward position of finding himself at the mercy of EU leaders for permission to rejoin an international...
edition.cnn.com edition.cnn.com
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But just look at the language used.... '' The shackles of regulation '' .... its this sort of language from the press that got us to Brexit.
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
But just look at the language used.... '' The shackles of regulation '' .... its this sort of language from the press that got us to Brexit.
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The shackles of regulation that bring us safe drinking water and food fit to eat? We are all tired of experts and their regulations eh?

Think I will free myself of those shackles from now on and only drive on the right hand side of the road.... as a freeborn Englishman that is my right yeah?
 
Ifwecouldjust....... said:
But just look at the language used.... '' The shackles of regulation '' .... its this sort of language from the press that got us to Brexit.
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The whole story is embarrassing for all concerned. The EU are punishing the UK for what they see as bad behaviour from the UK whilst at the same time also punishing their own citizens.

6 of one and half a dozen of the other. Unfortunately the supposed leaders on all sides are anything but. Where is spirit of Mo Mowlan when we need her, she’d have knocked heads together if she was still with us.
 
metalblue said:
The whole story is embarrassing for all concerned. The EU are punishing the UK for what they see as bad behaviour from the UK whilst at the same time also punishing their own citizens.

6 of one and half a dozen of the other. Unfortunately the supposed leaders on all sides are anything but. Where is spirit of Mo Mowlan when we need her, she’d have knocked heads together if she was still with us.
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I'm guessing the EU have made the calculation that a bit of short term pain for them would give them a long term gain by providing a boost for their own legal services industry. Now we are a third country and a competitor, through our own government's personal choice, they unsurprisingly seem to be taking the attitude that they won't do us any favours and are taking the opportunity to build up their own in house capability. Had our government not decided to implement Brexit in the way they have I'm sure things would have been different.
 
west didsblue said:
I'm guessing the EU have made the calculation that a bit of short term pain for them would give them a long term gain by providing a boost for their own legal services industry. Now we are a third country and a competitor, through our own government's personal choice, they unsurprisingly seem to be taking the attitude that they won't do us any favours and are taking the opportunity to build up their own in house capability. Had our government not decided to implement Brexit in the way they have I'm sure things would have been different.
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The simple fact is the EU are happy to wash their hands with the UK now. Once again the government have tried to flex their muscles but seem to have forgotten they are no longer the dogs bollocks they once were.
The only ones who will suffer are the everyday Joe's trying to go about their business.
 
metalblue said:
The whole story is embarrassing for all concerned. The EU are punishing the UK for what they see as bad behaviour from the UK whilst at the same time also punishing their own citizens.

6 of one and half a dozen of the other. Unfortunately the supposed leaders on all sides are anything but. Where is spirit of Mo Mowlan when we need her, she’d have knocked heads together if she was still with us.
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No it's not. Its embarrassing for us alone.

Just like our financial system we have given the EU an open goal to gain competitive advantage in legal services - and we are just supposed to hope they don't seize that opportunity.

Its pathetic. We literally shot ourselves in the foot. Why are the EU in any way culpable?
 
Gaudion M said:
No it's not. Its embarrassing for us alone.

Just like our financial system we have given the EU an open goal to gain competitive advantage in legal services - and we are just supposed to hope they don't seize that opportunity.

Its pathetic. We literally shot ourselves in the foot. Why are the EU in any way culpable?
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How is it embarrassing for us alone? We’ve asked to join the EU commission has recommended that we should not be allowed. That is their choice but I’m struggling to understand why would this give a competitive advantage to the EU?

Respectfully I have to say au contraire…it will, at best, double down on legal costs as decisions under English law (the vast vast majority of commercial contracts) have to be contested/ratified by a recognised EU court. Individuals and small business will not be able to afford this doubling of litigation costs so they will no longer be able to hold multinational firms capable for their actions.

Who wins there exactly? Ah yeah the big firms and a few lawyers. Who loses? Everyone else; these are British citizens, EU citizens and small firms both here and in the EU. So really the very people that should expect their rights to be upheld are, in fact, being hung out to dry by the EU refusing to allow the UK entry to the Lugano Convention (albeit this recommendation has to be ratified by the member states). That the EU may be doing this as punishment for what they see as poor UK behaviour elsewhere is of little comfort to the people this most affects.

Of course you hold a different view and think this will only fuck the British over.
 
metalblue said:
How is it embarrassing for us alone? We’ve asked to join the EU commission has recommended that we should not be allowed. That is their choice but I’m struggling to understand why would this give a competitive advantage to the EU?

Respectfully I have to say au contraire…it will, at best, double down on legal costs as decisions under English law (the vast vast majority of commercial contracts) have to be contested/ratified by a recognised EU court. Individuals and small business will not be able to afford this doubling of litigation costs so they will no longer be able to hold multinational firms capable for their actions.

Who wins there exactly? Ah yeah the big firms and a few lawyers. Who loses? Everyone else; these are British citizens, EU citizens and small firms both here and in the EU. So really the very people that should expect their rights to be upheld are, in fact, being hung out to dry by the EU refusing to allow the UK entry to the Lugano Convention (albeit this recommendation has to be ratified by the member states). That the EU may be doing this as punishment for what they see as poor UK behaviour elsewhere is of little comfort to the people this most affects.

Of course you hold a different view and think this will only fuck the British over.
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It will fuck everyone over but will fuck us over more. Bit like Brexit in general.

We need to get used to it and stop whining. The EU aren't going to do us any favours at all even if it causes them pain in the short term because they are taking the long view just like we said we were when we went for a hard Brexit. The difference is they will notice the problems much less than we will.
 
metalblue said:
Of course you hold a different view and think this will only fuck the British over.
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We made this mess and the brexiteer view is that someone else should fix it.

You are right that small firms will suffer, British small firms not EU ones. And as for medium sized firms, many will be evaluating how and where to locate there operations and as things stand this is another reason to relocate to the EU.
 
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