Politicians are incompetent... aren't they?

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BigJoe#1

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There is no particular party preference here, but it really does expose the lack of competency in government.

Apart from that it is IMO entertaining to watch them squirm, and this guy is particularly good at it.

Are there any more embarrassing moments for our great and good out there? Clip away!!

 
There are two fundamental issues. Career politicians and the British press, the latter of which means that anyone with a remotely colourful past would think it really isn’t worth the hassle.

The former is a huge issue imo. When you look at the cabinets of the 70s and 80s, Labour and Tory, they were replete with impressive individuals who had done something with their lives before entering politics. Many had fought in WW2.

The state of the cunts in politics now is such a stark contrast to that. With a few notable exceptions they simply aren’t people I find at all impressive or would choose to socialise with.

Not sure what the answer is tbh.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
There are two fundamental issues. Career politicians and the British press, the latter of which means that anyone with a remotely colourful past would think it really isn’t worth the hassle.

The former is a huge issue imo. When you look at the cabinets of the 70s and 80s, Labour and Tory, they were replete with impressive individuals who had done something with their lives before entering politics. Many had fought in WW2.

The state of the cunts in politics now is such a stark contrast to that. With a few notable exceptions they simply aren’t people I find at all impressive or would choose to socialise with.

Not sure what the answer is tbh.
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A good example of that is Rory Stewart. A fine and principled man with a great deal of real world experience but now out of mainstream politics whilst other grifters flourish.
 
It’s a sweeping generalisation. I doubt if politicians of yore were any more or less competent than the current crop. The 1960’s saw the Profumo affair and a growing disenchantment as politicians were seen as out of touch, the 1970’s saw a three day week, sharing baths with three inches of water, refuse building on the streets and flare trousers. Heath went to the country to ask the one question a government should never ask: ‘Who runs the country?’ - well, clearly not you, mate.

The media was as bad then as it is now and with more influence. Making a politician ‘squirm’ isn’t political journalism it’s a blood sport and does more harm than good as it leaves little to no room for serious political debate.

The past was never as good as you think it was and the same goes for the people.
 
Most politicians are decent people, that do alot of work behind the scenes for there constituents, some visit relatives of victims lost to knife crime etc and visit hospitals to see sick and disabled, many do alot of charity work , they know first hand the problems with society and try their best to get funding for their area - it’s not easy. They get constant abuse, even death threats and crap generalisation like this header.
 
BobKowalski said:
It’s a sweeping generalisation. I doubt if politicians of yore were any more or less competent than the current crop. The 1960’s saw the Profumo affair and a growing disenchantment as politicians were seen as out of touch, the 1970’s saw a three day week, sharing baths with three inches of water, refuse building on the streets and flare trousers. Heath went to the country to ask the one question a government should never ask: ‘Who runs the country?’ - well, clearly not you, mate.

The media was as bad then as it is now and with more influence. Making a politician ‘squirm’ isn’t political journalism it’s a blood sport and does more harm than good as it leaves little to no room for serious political debate.

The past was never as good as you think it was and the same goes for the people.
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I’m guessing the whole thread is to do with @BigJoe#1 justifying to himself his vote for Reform by making out they’re all the same.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Most politicians are decent people, that do alot of work behind the scenes for there constituents, some visit relatives of victims lost to knife crime etc and visit hospitals to see sick and disabled, many do alot of charity work , they know first hand the problems with society and try their best to get funding for their area - it’s not easy. They get constant abuse, even death threats and crap generalisation like this header.
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Oh how misguided and foolish you are.... there again that's no shock really.
 
Politicians are shit because they're often not allowed to give their own opinion, especially if they're in one of the parties with a hope in hell of getting elected. They have a collective party line that they have to argue even if they disagree with it. But if you want to see a turbo charged version of that, watch some CEO or company rep in front of a parliamentary select committee. The question dodging is insane. In fact, the qualifications to be a 'business leaders' and a politician are pretty much the same. These jobs seem to exclusively go to people who are good at talking, good at bullshitting, and good at hiding their real motives.
 
Politicians have been acting like politicians for over 2000 years all over the world and they tend to be reflections of the people they represent.

The UK is no different but I do accept that the experiences of WW1 and WW2 did generate a typically less partisan political environment.

Populists have also been around for 2000+ years, promising easy answers to difficult questions and identifying enemies to blame for everyone else’s misfortune.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
There are two fundamental issues. Career politicians and the British press, the latter of which means that anyone with a remotely colourful past would think it really isn’t worth the hassle.

The former is a huge issue imo. When you look at the cabinets of the 70s and 80s, Labour and Tory, they were replete with impressive individuals who had done something with their lives before entering politics. Many had fought in WW2.

The state of the cunts in politics now is such a stark contrast to that. With a few notable exceptions they simply aren’t people I find at all impressive or would choose to socialise with.

Not sure what the answer is tbh.
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Yep: too many have joined their party at16 and never done a job outside politics. The US has a safeguard against this: the president must be over 35, so no ignorant fool could ever attain the position….
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Oh good. A new thread to moan about the same thing.

I’m sure this will be the one to sort out politics.
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If you take time to watch the clip, a bit lengthy I know, but it shows that ministers seem go to the press badly briefed with only specific message to deliver but more importantly without the ability to answer the most basic of questions on the subject they are there to talk about.

Sheep like @BlueHammer85 and others on here who don't have the ability to think outside the box, or to question and challenge what they are told by their leader is a concern. They are not prepared to accept any kind of criticism of Starmer and of the Labour party generally.... worrying

My criticism is balanced and definitely aimed at both major parties (something that appears to be beyond the comprehension of some on here) You really do not have to be ALL left or ALL right. Labour are particularly bad right now simply because they are not even Tory lite.... they are more Tory than the Tories themselves - which makes the support for Labour on here even more baffling.

So.... can I suggest you just watch and study the video or.... just ignore it?
 
BigJoe#1 said:
If you take time to watch the clip, a bit lengthy I know, but it shows that ministers seem go to the press badly briefed with only specific message to deliver but more importantly without the ability to answer the most basic of questions on the subject they are there to talk about.

Sheep like @BlueHammer85 and others on here who don't have the ability to think outside the box, or to question and challenge what they are told by their leader is a concern. They are not prepared to accept any kind of criticism of Starmer and of the Labour party generally.... worrying

My criticism is balanced and definitely aimed at both major parties (something that appears to be beyond the comprehension of some on here) You really do not have to be ALL left or ALL right. Labour are particularly bad right now simply because they are not even Tory lite.... they are more Tory than the Tories themselves - which makes the support for Labour on here even more baffling.

So.... can I suggest you just watch and study the video or.... just ignore it?
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Do you think Reform could be the answer ?
 
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