Politics - Who do you vote for?

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shaundickov

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The transport thread got me thinking about this - I know Manc is a labour stronghold, but I can't for the life of me understand why. It makes me frankly embarrassed that I'm from the same locality as Hazel Blears. Plus Ferguson is a Labour-loving tosser, so I'm interested in what City fans think:

Who are you going to vote for in the next election, and why?
 
No-one. But not out of apathy.

Lets get down to the fundamentals. We all know that Government is untrustworthy and inept, so there is little point me even bringing up those points, and even then that isn't why I will never vote. (I used to vote the 1st couple of years that I reached the age to vote - but I was only voting for the same party (Labour) as my parents - I had no interest, or knowledge about politics , and more importantly - morality.)


I choose not to vote (ever) because....

Anyone who supports and votes for taxation (and government needs feeding) is a criminal. Those that do are worse than thieves, because what they are doing is holding a gun to your head. What if you don't pay taxes? you get thrown in the rape rooms (prison). And if you resist getting thrown in there? you get shot.

Isn't it crazy how people want to stop violence by..... installing a legal monopoly on violence - the Government.

It has been said that the 1st step to genius is to call things by their proper names. The State, in this case, is the biggest mafia cabal, the biggest terrorist, the biggest immorality, the biggest cancer and the biggest failure that has EVER 'walked' the face of this earth.

If you really stop to think about it, and really think about it, I don't think any rational sane person can disagree.

Myself? I will not validate the State by voting, like a little beggar asking for some of his money back "Please Sir, could I please have some of my money back... pretty please". IMO, we need to outgrow the State.


*dons tin hat*
 
ElanJo said:
No-one. But not out of apathy.

Lets get down to the fundamentals. We all know that Government is untrustworthy and inept, so there is little point me even bringing up those points, and even then that isn't why I will never vote. (I used to vote the 1st couple of years that I reached the age to vote - but I was only voting for the same party (Labour) as my parents - I had no interest, or knowledge about politics , and more importantly - morality.)


I choose not to vote (ever) because....

Anyone who supports and votes for taxation (and government needs feeding) is a criminal. Those that do are worse than thieves, because what they are doing is holding a gun to your head. What if you don't pay taxes? you get thrown in the rape rooms (prison). And if you resist getting thrown in there? you get shot.

Isn't it crazy how people want to stop violence by..... installing a legal monopoly on violence - the Government.

It has been said that the 1st step to genius is to call things by their proper names. The State, in this case, is the biggest mafia cabal, the biggest terrorist, the biggest immorality, the biggest cancer and the biggest failure that has EVER 'walked' the face of this earth.

If you really stop to think about it, and really think about it, I don't think any rational sane person can disagree.

Myself? I will not validate the State by voting, like a little beggar asking for some of his money back "Please Sir, could I please have some of my money back... pretty please". IMO, we need to outgrow the State.


*dons tin hat*
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Ehm, ok. Basically you think anarchy would be better?
 
I think a 'none of the above' option on the ballot paper would make sense. It would tell the candidates that people are willing to vote, but you're so pathetic and untrustworthy, we'd prefer not to vote for any of you!
 
pee dubya said:
ElanJo said:
No-one. But not out of apathy.

Lets get down to the fundamentals. We all know that Government is untrustworthy and inept, so there is little point me even bringing up those points, and even then that isn't why I will never vote. (I used to vote the 1st couple of years that I reached the age to vote - but I was only voting for the same party (Labour) as my parents - I had no interest, or knowledge about politics , and more importantly - morality.)


I choose not to vote (ever) because....

Anyone who supports and votes for taxation (and government needs feeding) is a criminal. Those that do are worse than thieves, because what they are doing is holding a gun to your head. What if you don't pay taxes? you get thrown in the rape rooms (prison). And if you resist getting thrown in there? you get shot.

Isn't it crazy how people want to stop violence by..... installing a legal monopoly on violence - the Government.

It has been said that the 1st step to genius is to call things by their proper names. The State, in this case, is the biggest mafia cabal, the biggest terrorist, the biggest immorality, the biggest cancer and the biggest failure that has EVER 'walked' the face of this earth.

If you really stop to think about it, and really think about it, I don't think any rational sane person can disagree.

Myself? I will not validate the State by voting, like a little beggar asking for some of his money back "Please Sir, could I please have some of my money back... pretty please". IMO, we need to outgrow the State.


*dons tin hat*
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Ehm, ok. Basically you think anarchy would be better?
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"Anarchism", "Voluntarism", whatever you want to call it, yes, I do.
 
ElanJo said:
pee dubya said:
ElanJo said:
No-one. But not out of apathy.

Lets get down to the fundamentals. We all know that Government is untrustworthy and inept, so there is little point me even bringing up those points, and even then that isn't why I will never vote. (I used to vote the 1st couple of years that I reached the age to vote - but I was only voting for the same party (Labour) as my parents - I had no interest, or knowledge about politics , and more importantly - morality.)


I choose not to vote (ever) because....

Anyone who supports and votes for taxation (and government needs feeding) is a criminal. Those that do are worse than thieves, because what they are doing is holding a gun to your head. What if you don't pay taxes? you get thrown in the rape rooms (prison). And if you resist getting thrown in there? you get shot.

Isn't it crazy how people want to stop violence by..... installing a legal monopoly on violence - the Government.

It has been said that the 1st step to genius is to call things by their proper names. The State, in this case, is the biggest mafia cabal, the biggest terrorist, the biggest immorality, the biggest cancer and the biggest failure that has EVER 'walked' the face of this earth.

If you really stop to think about it, and really think about it, I don't think any rational sane person can disagree.

Myself? I will not validate the State by voting, like a little beggar asking for some of his money back "Please Sir, could I please have some of my money back... pretty please". IMO, we need to outgrow the State.


*dons tin hat*
Click to expand...

Ehm, ok. Basically you think anarchy would be better?
Click to expand...


"Anarchism", "Voluntarism", whatever you want to call it, yes, I do.
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Ah! A voluntaryist, you must have a hell of a lot of trust in the human species if you reckon we'd be better off without a government.
 
scall1 said:
I think a 'none of the above' option on the ballot paper would make sense. It would tell the candidates that people are willing to vote, but you're so pathetic and untrustworthy, we'd prefer not to vote for any of you!
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This is so true, if voting forms had a yes and no, sort of like preportional representation, it would:
A) Show the TRUE feeling of voters
B) Get more people voting (possibly)

But, unfortunately, politicians beleive the electorate to be stupid, they keep US, the voter, ill-informed-yes we can go online and/or write to our MP for information. But it is up to us the electorate to find this info out, why?
To get a copy of parties manifesto's you have to ASK.
 
Aye, I've never had anyone come round asking me for a vote or explaining what they want to do if elected.
Nor in the last election did we get any information through the post about what they planned, apart from the Green Party. I vote for them now. Just had a look at their manifesto online, and not only does it seem like common sense, they also seem like sensible people and have policies that make sense (i.e. more bins!)
 
No one anymore since Blair and Brown etc destroyed Labour's credibility. I would vote for a truly socialist party, but I've not known one to stand a candidate here.
 
I'd love to start a party, that isn't a party if you see what I mean. A loose collection of people who want to be elected just to do things right. It doesn't take a genius or party affiliation to fix the problems does it? People elected who aren't told what to do by the central office or whip. Got a vote in Parliament on issue X, ask the people in YOUR area how you should vote, not the party whip!

Basically a political party full of independants. Viva la Revolution!
 
scall1 said:
I'd love to start a party, that isn't a party if you see what I mean. A loose collection of people who want to be elected just to do things right. It doesn't take a genius or party affiliation to fix the problems does it? People elected who aren't told what to do by the central office or whip. Got a vote in Parliament on issue X, ask the people in YOUR area how you should vote, not the party whip!

Basically a political party full of independants. Viva la Revolution!
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Unfortunately, most people are reactionary by nature and distrustful of change, so we would have a conservative (small "c") and xenophobic government and our streets would be overrun by police, the sky would be full of helicopters watching our every move, and there would be public floggings and hangings. Anyone who is against the mob or has any individualism would be vilified and either shunned, killed or imprisoned.

Not ideal.
 
pee dubya said:
ElanJo said:
pee dubya said:
ElanJo said:
No-one. But not out of apathy.

Lets get down to the fundamentals. We all know that Government is untrustworthy and inept, so there is little point me even bringing up those points, and even then that isn't why I will never vote. (I used to vote the 1st couple of years that I reached the age to vote - but I was only voting for the same party (Labour) as my parents - I had no interest, or knowledge about politics , and more importantly - morality.)


I choose not to vote (ever) because....

Anyone who supports and votes for taxation (and government needs feeding) is a criminal. Those that do are worse than thieves, because what they are doing is holding a gun to your head. What if you don't pay taxes? you get thrown in the rape rooms (prison). And if you resist getting thrown in there? you get shot.

Isn't it crazy how people want to stop violence by..... installing a legal monopoly on violence - the Government.

It has been said that the 1st step to genius is to call things by their proper names. The State, in this case, is the biggest mafia cabal, the biggest terrorist, the biggest immorality, the biggest cancer and the biggest failure that has EVER 'walked' the face of this earth.

If you really stop to think about it, and really think about it, I don't think any rational sane person can disagree.

Myself? I will not validate the State by voting, like a little beggar asking for some of his money back "Please Sir, could I please have some of my money back... pretty please". IMO, we need to outgrow the State.


*dons tin hat*
Click to expand...

Ehm, ok. Basically you think anarchy would be better?
Click to expand...


"Anarchism", "Voluntarism", whatever you want to call it, yes, I do.
Click to expand...

Ah! A voluntaryist, you must have a hell of a lot of trust in the human species if you reckon we'd be better off without a government.
Click to expand...



Heh, I wish I had a penny for when I was asked that :P

Anarchism/Voluntarism is the ideology that most recognises that you cant have full trust in the human species! It doesn't give a group of humans a "Ring of Power" for this exact reason.
When you setup an institution that has a legal right to routinely commit violence and has all this power over millions of people etc etc , what type of people are you going to get gravitating towards it?


On the other hand, I also have much confidence in Humanity. I have faith(and "faith" is a bad term really, because it has an irrational and religious connotations) that they can spend their own money and generally help others in need, if they have the time and resources to do so. People are more charitable than Governments. Governments never give (our) money away without ulterior motives or terms.

I wont be alive when we finally give up this insanity and faith (intended irrational and religious connotations ;) ) in Statism. But, I am quite happy all the same to see that it is dying. Infact it is dead, people just haven't realised it yet.
 
Labour due to genetics. Unless I move to somewhere where they have no chance then Liberal. Green Party for Euros, as all votes count with PR.
 
BNP in the Euro elections as a protest
Spoil my ballot paper in a general election
 
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