Portsmouth Cheeky Fookers

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dctid

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Reallly pleased for Pompey fans in gettng too the final but seriously cheeky fookin twats appealing the UEFA license when they cant even afford the players win bonuses
 
I think they get about a million quid for making the final, as well, not to mention all the merchandising they will be doing off the back of it. But it's all very typical Pompey, unfortunately.
 
They've earned their place by making the final. It's the player's who have earned the right to play in Europe. It'll boost the clubs coffers and they need that. So IMO there should be no question but to grant them a license.

I don't think the will get it though - not when potentially Liverpool could be left without any European football should they finish 7th, which is quite possible.

IMO It's just another example of how the authorities step in when not needed and stay silent when there are real problems. Let them play - what harm can it do? (Spend the time instead fixing the autrocious referring situation and get some technology going, etc, etc)
 
Swordfish7 said:
Good luck to them I say.
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I like Portsmouth and good luck to them if there allowed play in the europa league next season, Hopefully they do the right thing and get rid of Peter Storrie ASAP he's only a money grabbing b*stard who has left Portsmouth in a mess.
 
SWPISHOME said:
Swordfish7 said:
Good luck to them I say.
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I like Portsmouth and good luck to them if there allowed play in the europa league next season, Hopefully they do the right thing and get rid of Peter Storrie ASAP he's only a money grabbing b*stard who has left Portsmouth in a mess.
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I really don't see the problem.
Is it that they can't play in Europe if they are in the 2nd tier? im sure I remember Ipswich playing Inter Milan in the Uefa Cup a few seasons back once they were back in the first division???
 
No, it's because they haven't filed their end of year accounts and so as a consequence did not apply for a licence which would have enabled them to play European football next season (havng filed an unqualified set of accounts is a condition UEFA insist upon for a club to enter one of its competitions).

The accounts still have not been filed. And I doubt UEFA would grant an extension, even in the unlikely circumstances the accounts were to be filed in the near future.
 
TonyM said:
They've earned their place by making the final. It's the player's who have earned the right to play in Europe. It'll boost the clubs coffers and they need that. So IMO there should be no question but to grant them a license.

I don't think the will get it though - not when potentially Liverpool could be left without any European football should they finish 7th, which is quite possible.

IMO It's just another example of how the authorities step in when not needed and stay silent when there are real problems. Let them play - what harm can it do? (Spend the time instead fixing the autrocious referring situation and get some technology going, etc, etc)
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if they let them in,what is going to happen with the proposed ruling,of not letting teams in debt,play in uefa competitions.
will they have set a precedent?cant wait to see platini backtrack and blatters world cup go tits up.
 
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...se-appeal-over-europa-league-ban-1942889.html

Portsmouth will make a late application for permission to play in Europe next season but their chances of success are slim at best, and hinge on emerging from administration imminently, an outcome nobody at the club expects.

The ongoing financial saga at Fratton Park is being watched keenly by other Premier League clubs, especially Aston Villa, because Portsmouth's participation – or not – in Europe next season will impact on whether others get to taste European action.

Under normal circumstances, Pompey would be on course for a place in next season's Europa League. The Premier League's top-four finishers win entry to the Champions League, the fifth-placed club goes into the Europa League, and so does the winner of the FA Cup, unless that club has already qualified, in which case it goes to the runners-up.

A third Europa League place is up for grabs this season because the Carling Cup winners are awarded one, and Manchester United won it and won't use it. Unlike in the FA Cup, that place doesn't go to the runners-up (Aston Villa) in 2010, but rather to the next best-placed team in the Premier League.

This year, Chelsea – Portsmouth's opponents in next month's FA Cup final – are already certain to qualify for next season's Champions League. That means Pompey, as FA Cup runners-up at worst, should get that berth in Europe.

The complicating factor is that to play in Europe clubs must hold a Uefa licence, and Pompey do not have one because of their parlous financial state. The deadline to get one was in March (when Pompey were already in administration), and while a late application could theoretically pay dividends, Portsmouth would need to demonstrate to Uefa they are a going concern before being granted a licence.

As things stand, the top four in the Premier League (Chelsea, United, Arsenal and Manchester City) will play in next season's Champions League, while the clubs in fifth, sixth and seventh (Tottenham, Liverpool and Villa) will play in the Europa League. But if Pompey were able to exit administration quickly, and be granted a Uefa licence as an extraordinary case, they would get a European place, and Villa would miss out.

But as even Portsmouth administrator, Andrew Andronikou, admits, it is a "long shot" hope for Pompey. He told The Independent last night that the search for new owners is "moving along" but is not close to completion. "It will be an uphill struggle in terms of making [a successful] appeal but nonetheless we will try," he added.

Andronikou revealed that Portsmouth are certain to make at least £2.2m profit for reaching the FA Cup final, which they did thanks to Sunday's 2-0 extra-time semi-final win over Tottenham. "The club makes £450,000 from the FA in prize money for winning the semi, and is guaranteed £900,000 more from the final, that's the runners-up cash if Portsmouth lost," he said. "So that's £1.35m, and then there will be £600,000 to £800,000 on top from commercial income, including sponsors' bonuses kicking in, and when you add merchandising and other bits, we think reaching the final will make £2.2m, and that would rise to £3.2m if Portsmouth won the Cup."

On the other hand, all of Portsmouth's players have bonus payments in their contracts related to reaching or winning the Cup, including six players who would trigger payments of between £50,000 and £100,000 merely by starting the Cup final. "All the players have incentivised contracts, not just some," Andronikou says. "Nothing is standardised, that's part of the problem."

Andronikou says the club, in consultation with manager Avram Grant, must also make careful team selection decisions from now on, because certain players are close to reaching appearance targets that would trigger payments to other clubs. Foremost among those is Aruna Dindane; the Ivorian striker has made 21 appearances in all competitions this season on loan from Lens, and a 22nd would trigger a £4m payment to the French club.

The race for seventh place begins

The Europa League place reserved for the FA Cup winners will be handed to seventh in the league this season as Chelsea will qualify for the Champions League and fellow finalists Portsmouth do not hold the necessary Uefa licence.

There is a possibility of four teams playing in next season's competition if Liverpool or Fulham win the tournament but do not qualify through their league placing. In this case an additional place would be granted for either Fulham or Liverpool to defend the trophy.

P/W/D/L/GD/Pts

5. Spurs 32/17/7/8/26/58

6. Liverpool 34/16/8/10/21/56

7. Aston Villa 32/14/12/6/12/54

8. Everton 33/13/11/9/8/50

9. Birmingham 34/12/10/12/-8/46
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I say best of luck to them.
 
Didn't David James mention that most of the ills current at the club were down to them winning the FA Cup two seasons ago. Now they want to win it again?

Won't be long before we see the whole bloody forward line claiming welfare benefits while they kick the crap out of some Eastern European champions in the Europa League next season!
 
it'll be interesting to see how this turns out - wether UEFA (or the FA) will grant the license.
 
Montgomery Burns said:
No, it's because they haven't filed their end of year accounts and so as a consequence did not apply for a licence which would have enabled them to play European football next season (havng filed an unqualified set of accounts is a condition UEFA insist upon for a club to enter one of its competitions).

The accounts still have not been filed. And I doubt UEFA would grant an extension, even in the unlikely circumstances the accounts were to be filed in the near future.
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Today's Times reports a UEFA spokesperson saying it is nothing to do with them. They'd be happy to have Portsmouth in the Europa League and that it is an FA rule stopping them.
However I'd only let them in if a legal guarantee was got from them that every penny from a UEFA cup run goes to paying off all the small creditors they owe money to. Its ludicrous that small businesses who did work for them are going to the wall because they were allowed to go into administration and twats like Storrie and the players are still being paid millions.
 
Can't we just buy David James for a world record transfer and then loan him out to them for free, that'd clear up their financial mess...
 
The Europa League place reserved for the FA Cup winners will be handed to seventh in the league this season as Chelsea will qualify for the Champions League and fellow finalists Portsmouth do not hold the necessary Uefa licence

There is a possibility of four teams playing in next season's competition if Liverpool or Fulham win the tournament but do not qualify through their league placing. In this case an additional place would be granted for either Fulham or Liverpool to defend the trophy.


Is all this true?
 
dctid said:
Reallly pleased for Pompey fans in gettng too the final but seriously cheeky fookin twats appealing the UEFA license when they cant even afford the players win bonuses
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I dont see why its cheeky at all. Surely Portsmouth being in Europe is a more attractive club for someone to buy, meaning they wouldn't go to the wall. Its not just about the money but the prestige of being in a European competition.
 
In all honesty its all down to the vultures or the administrators has they are affectionally known. Its in there remit to bleed every penny out of the club that is inhumanly possible. Getting the club into europe not only provides a healthy revenue stream should the club stay in administration next season but also a more actractive proposition for a potential buyer.
 
Why should the rules be changed for Portsmouth ?

Good luck to them in reaching the final (especially for beating Spurs and their bent manager), but they shouldn't have the rules changed. They're not fit to represent England in Europe as things stand, how would they be able to fund a trip to the Ukraine for instance ?

Even if they get taken over soon, the new owner will have to get to grips with the financial constraints of the championship first (parachute payments or not), and will have to run the business on a sound footing from now on. If they don't get a new owner, they will be lucky to srvive the summer anyway.

They were lucky to be allowed to continue in the FA Cup for me, because I don't think they strictly speaking met the rules once they ahd gone into administration.
 
cleavers said:
Why should the rules be changed for Portsmouth ?

Good luck to them in reaching the final (especially for beating Spurs and their bent manager), but they shouldn't have the rules changed. They're not fit to represent England in Europe as things stand, how would they be able to fund a trip to the Ukraine for instance ?

Even if they get taken over soon, the new owner will have to get to grips with the financial constraints of the championship first (parachute payments or not), and will have to run the business on a sound footing from now on. If they don't get a new owner, they will be lucky to srvive the summer anyway.

They were lucky to be allowed to continue in the FA Cup for me, because I don't think they strictly speaking met the rules once they ahd gone into administration.
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So a club should be forced to go to the wall then? Surely it is within the FA and UEFA's interest to keep a club going rather than try and make it worse for them.

All im trying to say is that if you had the choice between 2 clubs, 1 being in Europe and one not and both are on a level with each other, surely it makes sense to buy the one with Euro football.

Might be that i have a soft spot for Pompey as i lived their for 2 years and its where my brother was born.
 
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