With respect, what's happened to the lib dems is as irrelevant as the lib dems themselves.
So if you're right, and if I was a Tory, with JC looming and all his 'momentum', why would I call an election in the next couple of years? That's the ultimate turkey voting for christmas analogy. Might as well stick it out for the full 5 years. Again, and it's a point a lot seem to be missing, the Tories have the power and they get to call when the next election is.
Labour were given an unexpected early shot, and they've missed. They might not get another one for 5 years. If you can predict what's going to happen between now and 5 years time you're wasted on Bluemoon, and should be earning millions on the stock exchange. Perversely, odds are you'd be a Tory voter if that were the case.
The analogy is a good one, the re-match in 5 years will be a cracker.It's a wake up call, but a soft one as they are still in power. The Tory's 'worst case scenario' is still better than Labours 'victory' and sees them remain in power, just with a little bit of DUP ego massaging to contend with. Any Labour voters celebrating are celebrating a very hollow 'victory'. Unless of course they aspire to be a particularly annoying opposition/protest party, but not actually rulers.
Its like losing a boxing match and celebrating with your mates that you only broke your nose. Meanwhile your opposition took some blows/has some bruises, but he's still the one taking the good looking girl home and planning his next big fight.
(I'm drinking wine in a lounge before a long haul flight and I'm in an analogy mood. Apologies if they're not very good)
Labour's celebrations remind me of the Fa cup game against the rags. 3-0 down at half time and down to 10 men.
We put up a great fight and got close but we still got beat
I'll just leave this here:
Sinn Fein - "Tory and DUP alliance is in contravention of the terms of the Good Friday Agreement".
If this coalition goes 5 years then it will only prove that May and the Tories are as arrogant and power hungry as people suspect and it could do irrepreable damage to that party for decades.
Her claim to govern in the national interest is wholly inconsistent with any form of alliance with the DUP. It is a manifest lie and completely irresponsible.I'll just leave this here:
Sinn Fein - "Tory and DUP alliance is in contravention of the terms of the Good Friday Agreement".
If this coalition goes 5 years then it will only prove that May and the Tories are as arrogant and power hungry as people suspect and it could do irrepreable damage to that party for decades.
With respect, what's happened to the lib dems is as irrelevant as the lib dems themselves.
So if you're right, and if I was a Tory, with JC looming and all his 'momentum', why would I call an election in the next couple of years? That's the ultimate turkey voting for christmas analogy. Might as well stick it out for the full 5 years. Again, and it's a point a lot seem to be missing, the Tories have the power and they get to call when the next election is.
Labour were given an unexpected early shot, and they've missed. They might not get another one for 5 years. If you can predict what's going to happen between now and 5 years time you're wasted on Bluemoon, and should be earning millions on the stock exchange. Perversely, odds are you'd be a Tory voter if that were the case.
And we completely lost the election which means 5 more years of austerity and failing support for the neediest in society, because people were more interested in feeling good about themselves than they were winning the election.
This isn't a win. Celebrating this result while failing to help the people who need it is an absolute disgrace and people should be ashamed for it.
Her claim to govern in the national interest is wholly inconsistent with any form of alliance with the DUP. It is a manifest lie and completely irresponsible.
I think you're agreeing with me. The election was there for the taking, and labour didn't have the right people in charge to get people to vote for them to take it.The Tories might be able to keep in power for a five year term but a lot will depend on what goes on in Northern Ireland.!issues ranging from gay marriage to prosecuting soldiers for doing their job in Northern Ireland could put the ConDUP's alliance under greater pressure.
Labour have a social / youth movement behind part of their support as we know. If this grows then the next election (when it comes) will be even closer. That said, Labour might have held the balance of power if Dianne Abbot had been ditched earlier.
When direct rule and Northern Ireland is mentioned I don't think anyone quite thought it would be Stormont imposing direct rule on Westminster!Her claim to govern in the national interest is wholly inconsistent with any form of alliance with the DUP. It is a manifest lie and completely irresponsible.
Apparently Ruth Davidson is demanding greater independence for the Scottish tories. The Scottish tories are against hard brexit (not really surprising). Another nail in the coffin of hard brexit.
We lost 3-2 againWhat was the score in the next derby? ;-)
Just getting that in before the Labour supporter do.
I think you're agreeing with me. The election was there for the taking, and labour didn't have the right people in charge to get people to vote for them to take it.
That's not a victory, and whether it's 2,3,4 or 5 years from now, lots can happen and there are no guarantees for the next election. The only guarantee right now, is Labour are not in power today.
You must have been watching and reading a different media than me, tory councillors acting as ordinary citizens to question the leader of the opposition, privately educated toffs in designer labels pretending to be a hard up student etc etcI posted this somewhere before mackenzie..A complete rig up. I said as soon as i heard the result today that its all a rig up. Theresa May(the remainer btw) quickly and very conveniently called a general election before the brexit talks began properly..she then acts the clown and the wonderful media give her a bit of a clobbering..meanwhile they ramp up ol' jezzas profile and the sheep just follow and chew the grass..then bingo,hung parliament,next step a 2nd referendum...its a total bolox. Get Nige back into the frame forthwith and let him smash into the lot of em.
Corbyn has motivated a marvellous amount of our youth to get involved in politics, that has to be encouraged by all. He has also had to deal with backstabbing within his own party, and the most venomous assault and character assassination of any politician in my lifetime, but still came within 3,000 votes of becoming Prime minister, he has also dragged the political discourse back to the centre ground.Oh for god's sake, you've said it again. Give it up man. We understand your opinion. You may be right, OR NOT.
If Corbyn stays for a 3rd time and loses again, things may change. Hell, how old is he? 70-odd?
You have an opinion that may be right. Please stop trying to tell people it's fact, when it is simply your opinion.
Yes. It was funded by exceedingly expensive PPP & PFI contracts that we will be paying off for years, at a far higher cost than necessary.Labour built and staffed much needed new hospitals,was that wrong?
You must be hurting mate.Labour's celebrations remind me of the Fa cup game against the rags. 3-0 down at half time and down to 10 men.
We put up a great fight and got close but we still got beat