gingerprince
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Even Walton said it was a penalty.....
I dont think the referee even saw the incident, so at the time he cannot give it. However, this is where PIGMOL in England have altered the whole ethos of the game. Pigmol instructed refs not to view the monitors from start of season. So when a ref in PL is unsighted, the decision now lies with VAR as a default. They are deciding its not a clear or obvious error so defacto are refereeing the incident themselves, eg not the onfield referee. In Europe, refs review via pitchside monitors so ultimately take final decision. If a referee is unsighted, he doesnt give it. VAR should review, then show best angle to pitchside monitor for onfield referee to review, as hes the one supposed to decide subjectiv decisions, not VAR team.
Of course for United penalty decisions, referee always gives it first, then easier for VAR to uphold refs decision citing not clear or obvious error. If against United, refs can just simply not give it and VAR again use not clear or obvious to protect them.
On Palace offside, fans should see the ball being played as well as attacking and defending positions to be transparent.
I believe it should be changed to favour attacking team. VAR should decide freeze frame they use, then also look at frame prior and after. If onside in any x1 of the three then hes onside. It may in some cases take slightly longer but in others less so, as may be clear space in one of other frames. It would also favour attacking team when they are moving forward at pace when defender coming out at speed. Its those decisions where technology is more risky so use the x3 frames rule.
I dont think the referee even saw the incident, so at the time he cannot give it. However, this is where PIGMOL in England have altered the whole ethos of the game. Pigmol instructed refs not to view the monitors from start of season. So when a ref in PL is unsighted, the decision now lies with VAR as a default. They are deciding its not a clear or obvious error so defacto are refereeing the incident themselves, eg not the onfield referee. In Europe, refs review via pitchside monitors so ultimately take final decision. If a referee is unsighted, he doesnt give it. VAR should review, then show best angle to pitchside monitor for onfield referee to review, as hes the one supposed to decide subjectiv decisions, not VAR team.
Of course for United penalty decisions, referee always gives it first, then easier for VAR to uphold refs decision citing not clear or obvious error. If against United, refs can just simply not give it and VAR again use not clear or obvious to protect them.
On Palace offside, fans should see the ball being played as well as attacking and defending positions to be transparent.
I believe it should be changed to favour attacking team. VAR should decide freeze frame they use, then also look at frame prior and after. If onside in any x1 of the three then hes onside. It may in some cases take slightly longer but in others less so, as may be clear space in one of other frames. It would also favour attacking team when they are moving forward at pace when defender coming out at speed. Its those decisions where technology is more risky so use the x3 frames rule.