Premier League to hand Portsmouth a lifeline....

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...providing all teams in the Premier League agree. We all know that certain clubs like Liverpool will benefit if Portsmouth go under, but does anyone think that any club will really let this happen given the wider implications ?

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Portsmouth rescue mission: Premier League set to hand debt-ridden Pompey a lifeline
By Martin Samuel

Premier League chiefs are hoping to push through dramatic emergency measures to ensure Portsmouth stay afloat and fulfil their fixtures this season and their survival could depend on the 19 other teams in England’s top division.

Richard Scudamore, the chief executive, will conduct a ring round of Portsmouth’s Barclays Premier League rivals this weekend. He will ask if they object to the club’s parachute payment, in the region of £11million, being brought forward and paid immediately toward a £12.1m bill from the taxman.

The Premier League has already taken the drastic step of advancing a payment of roughly £2m to all of its members, so that Portsmouth will be able to at least meet some of the demands of HM Revenue and Customs in the High Court next week.

The initial payment, part of the Premier League’s standardised cash flow arrangement that gives some money to the clubs in instalments through the season, was not due for another two months.

But the 20 clubs will receive that payment this week as Scudamore scrambles his resources in an attempt to keep Portsmouth solvent and avoid a humiliating hit for the Premier League brand.

The issue of the parachute payment is more sensitive, however, as all clubs stand to gain or lose materially if Portsmouth cease trading and have to withdraw from the league. In that event, their results for the season would be wiped out, which would potentially be of benefit to some teams.

Chelsea, for instance, would lose three points, while Manchester United would lose six, meaning the gap at the top would widen from one point to four.

Liverpool, who lost at Fratton Park earlier in the season, would not drop a point, while Arsenal and Manchester City, who have already beaten Portsmouth home and away, would lose six each.

A revised league table without Portsmouth’s results would see City fall to seventh place, behind Tottenham Hotspur and Aston Villa.
This is why Scudamore is anxious to conduct a straw poll of clubs before making a decision, although he will impress on the chairmen the wider issue of damage to the image of the Premier League should a club fail to complete their fixture programme.

Giving Portsmouth the parachute payment made to those relegated to the Championship each season does not make the presumption that the club will go down.

It is merely the guaranteed minimum amount Portsmouth can expect to receive from the Premier League on August 1.

Scudamore will argue that if any club were in Portsmouth’s position, even Manchester United, this is the most the Premier League could do.
He will make the case that no extra money is being found to fund Portsmouth, and that the club are not being favoured in any way.
They are merely receiving in advance money that is already due to be paid later in the year, to stave off a unique financial situation.

He will argue that it is of paramount importance that the league season continue without disruption. Together, the advance payment made this week and the advanced parachute payment would more than meet the total bill owed to HMRC, although Portsmouth dispute a percentage of it.

Yet there could be objections, particularly from the small group of clubs with least to lose if Portsmouth go under when the High Court deadline passes at 4pm on Wednesday.
Liverpool, Wigan Athletic, Wolverhampton Wanderers and Burnley would stay on the same points total if Portsmouth went bust, while Sunderland would lose only two points and Hull City one.

These six, plus Chelsea, could be claimed to have a vested interest in Portsmouth’s demise — although all bar Sunderland still have Portsmouth to play and may be hopeful of collecting three points.

Scudamore will ask the clubs to put any selfish considerations aside, however, and focus instead on the harm to the prestige of the Premier League, particularly abroad, if one of their members were to fold mid-season.

The ongoing fiasco at Portsmouth, now on their fourth owner this season — Balram Chainrai, whose first act was to announce the club are up for sale — is already a source of embarrassment to Scudamore.

Although the Premier League have never lost a member to liquidation, it is a myth that clubs do not go bust in English football.

Aldershot dropped out of the Football League in March 1992 and all their results were declared null and void, and the following season Maidstone United failed to start the campaign for financial reasons.
The demise of these clubs is the reason the top four divisions still number 92 teams, not 94.
 
Re: FA to hand Portsmouth a lifeline....

PREMIER LEAGUE to hand Portsmouth a lifeline....
not
FA to hand Portsmouth a lifeline....

The difference is extremely important. If the FA got involved, then there would be uproar from other clubs in other leagues who got no help.

It's a sensible move by the Premier League, as they are only giving Portsmouth money they would get anyway.
 
Re: FA to hand Portsmouth a lifeline....

I think they should be given a lifeline.

Not just for the points situation, but for all the fans of clubs that have paid to watch there club play Portsmouth, some twice like ourselves other just the once.

I also dont think it should be upto the clubs in the league.
The Premier league cheifs should make the decision.
 
Re: FA to hand Portsmouth a lifeline....

Footballers Rally Round For Mido Aid...



With their huge wage packets, arrogant attitudes, colossal stupidity, strange fondness for MMMMMF love trysts and habit of all sleeping with each other's girlfriends, it's easy to forget that footballers are people just like the rest of us.



But top Premier League players have shown that they do have a heart after all, by coming to the aid of a footballer who has fallen on tragically hard times.

When the news emerged that West Ham United had signed the Egyptian star Mido on a pitiful £1,000-a-week deal, top footballers put club rivalries and paternity tests aside to rally round the beleaguered forward.



"It really makes you sit up and think," said Rio Ferdinand. "Only a year or so ago, we played against Wigan, where he was at the time, and he was doing great. He was on 25, 30 - okay, nothing special, but enough to get by.



"To see him reduced to living on the money a GP or top civil servant would get, well.."



Rio was briefly too upset to speak, but eventually recovered enough to continue, dabbing at his eyes with a hankie made from ripped-up pieces of a Van Gogh canvas.



"I even went round his house once," said the Manchester United defender. "We had a quiet evening in - I think we filled his koi carp lake with caviar for a merk. And now he's ended up like this."



"I heard he don't even have a yacht, poor b***ard," added Joe Cole.



But out of the understandable shock at the plight of Mido has emerged a determination to do something. The footballer, humanitarian and Welshman Craig Bellamy takes up the story.



"See, right," said Bellamy. "A bunch of us have got together and we're having an appeal for Mido to get him just a few essentials. Michael Owen donated one of his old Porsches, Steven Gerrard very kindly gave a Rolex and a diamond the size of a massive Rottweiler turd, and a couple of the Chelsea lads had a rummage around and got him a slightly used FHM cover model to tide him over until he's back on his feet again."



Rio is planning a charity single with 50 Cent to raise money for Mido, and the PFA has asked that every fan attending a match this weekend makes a suggested donation of five pounds as an emergency fund for the Egyptian.



A minute's silence will be held at grounds around the country prior to kick-offs this weekend
 
Re: FA to hand Portsmouth a lifeline....

scall said:
PREMIER LEAGUE to hand Portsmouth a lifeline....
not
FA to hand Portsmouth a lifeline....

The difference is extremely important. If the FA got involved, then there would be uproar from other clubs in other leagues who got no help.

Fixed
 
Think its a good idea to be honest and think all the clubs should support it regardless of the rammifications to themselves if pompey go bust!!

How bad is it to be a Pompey fan!!

FA Cup winners all the up and downs!! one minute thinkin you are the richest club in the world and then on the verge of going bust!!!

Top that off with Arry and Moderic up for tax evasion charges while at Portsmouth it doesnt look good!!
 
Re: FA to hand Portsmouth a lifeline....

SboroBlu said:
I think they should be given a lifeline.

Not just for the points situation, but for all the fans of clubs that have paid to watch there club play Portsmouth, some twice like ourselves other just the once.

I also dont think it should be upto the clubs in the league.
The Premier league cheifs should make the decision.


Its an intresting point and may well have a case under trade descriptions act, we paid money to watch 2 premiership league games, for them to retrospectively be voided, it could argue they were nothing more than exhibition games and that the tickets we brought were not fit for purpose (i.e. having no bearing on the competition they were advertised for).

If their is any legal grounding to this thent he premier league would by kaking it, an average of £2m per game would be £50m plus the TV companies that have paid to show portsmouth premier league games would be due the same refund of rights money.
 
avoidconfusion said:
Just watch Chelsea and Liverpool refuse to aid Portsmouth.

If they did surely it would be a tarnish on them ? Effectively allowing a club to go under for their own gains....and if Chelsea then went on to win the league they'd be accused of not being able to win it by sporting means.

Personally, if the Premier League want to advance payments then I think that's up to them, regardless of what other clubs say. Providing they pay it out to all clubs at the same time then no-one could argue it was unfair....after all, it's not as if any club could use it to buy players, etc, as the transfer window is closed.
 
If the PL teams refuse

I suppose that the end result will be an agreement between the PL to guarantee the payment directly to HMRC at the end of the season.

HMRC would probably settle for this subject to the

1) balance being sorted by Portsmouth in the timescales laid down by the courts

2) interest being accrued on the outstanding amount and paid at the end of the season.

Portsmouth will then (probably) also get the parachute payment for being relagated and be able to sell some of the players.

Its not really in the interest of HMRC to force the club to cease trading and its certainly not in the interest of the PL to let them go under.

The negotiation is not about whether the debt will be paid but when..........
 
I think its a good thing imho, surely nobody wants to see football clubs go out of the game!! What would we do if City were in the same position??
 
32.5m well spent said:
I think its a good thing imho, surely nobody wants to see football clubs go out of the game!! What would we do if City were in the same position??

Have seen a few posts from scousers on other forums wanting this...hardly suprising. Not all of them to be fair though.
 
I don't know if it's been done but I was sad enough to work out how the league would look if points, goal difference and games against portsmouth were taken away. I don't think I made any mistakes but if anyone thinks they spot any feel free to change it. By the way the total games to be played will obviously be 36.

_________games played__goal difference___points
Chelsea______25____________38__________55
United_______24____________33__________51
Arsenal______24____________25__________46
Liverpool_____25____________18__________44
Tottenham____25___________18__________40
Aston Villa____24____________11__________39
City_________22____________12__________38
Birmingham___24____________-3__________34
Everton______24____________-2__________32
Fulham_______24____________0___________28
Blackburn_____25___________-15__________28
Stoke________23____________-5__________27
Sunderland____23___________-10__________24
Wigan________23___________-19__________24
Wolves_______24___________-20__________24
Burnley_______24___________-23__________23
Hull__________25___________-26__________23
West Ham_____23___________-10__________20
Bolton________23___________-18__________19
 
The 12th Man said:
I don't know if it's been done but I was sad enough to work out how the league would look if points, goal difference and games against portsmouth were taken away. I don't think I made any mistakes but if anyone thinks they spot any feel free to change it. By the way the total games to be played will obviously be 34.
36.
 
avoidconfusion said:
Just watch Chelsea and Liverpool refuse to aid Portsmouth.

I think you have misread the article. If Pompey go bust Chelsea will benefit whereas the scum would lose out so that is a total plus. I was about to start ringing that dodgy Russian Chairmen up but then I realsied that if Liverpool say no, they gain but we lose out. So I couldn't make the call.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
The 12th Man said:
I don't know if it's been done but I was sad enough to work out how the league would look if points, goal difference and games against portsmouth were taken away. I don't think I made any mistakes but if anyone thinks they spot any feel free to change it. By the way the total games to be played will obviously be 34.
36.

Ahh yeah, sorry, all of the calculations and I end up getting the obvious one wrong! lol. I'll edit it in the post now, thanks for that mate!
 
Even if we stood to gain 6 points and the others around us lose 6 points i would still agree to it.

Any club who doesn't agree to it should be named, shamed and humiliated for years to come.
 
If the mentioned clubs veto it, get on the phone to the sheikh. We can't afford to lose those points considering the strength of the position we're currently in.
 

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