President Joe Biden

[BlueHammer85]

As I’ve said 100 times before, I’d prefer to have no ailments, but I’d still rather have a cold than cancer. Only a fucking idiot would object to a cold and dig their heels in for cancer as they were annoyed that they can’t be ailment free.

It's like he's really angry that we just rather Biden (who most agree is not that great) over Trump.

 

[Bigga]

And in this choice between two neoliberals, are you really not going to differentiate between the guy who is so old that he's lived through several different sorts of neoliberalism and the psychopathic fascist neoliberal?

I don't mind idealism, but you're not getting what you want in this election, so will you choose the guy who's helped the poor get medical care or the guy who will take it away?

As I've explained a few times in this thread (I get you don't see all the posts) and I won't be on repeat to address the healthcare issue, but I'm happy to say it one more time:

"Access to healthcare" is a clever terminology that serves 97% of Americans(according to how many Biden can help. Why 97%? Fuck knows!) if they have money to pay for it. But it's also inclusive of people that can't quite pay for it, but still have some money as a bridge to paying for it.

"Access to healthcare" is beautiful phrasing. It's a step away from Medicare-for-All which is free and would serve 100% of Americans, full stop.

That's not idealism, that's practical and doable.

The only difference is that the Obama-Biden Admin included pre-existing conditions. Sure, that's great.

Now when is someone going is recognise the ACA is a Republican idea or 'Romney Care' stolen by the Dems as they were in lockstep with healthcare thinking...?

 

[Bigga]

so what if some do, he's a better option than Trump right ???????

It's the denial that's the issue.

Own it as I do with my thoughts and ideology.

 

[Bigga]

I suppose anything is possible when you live in your own world as you so obviously do.

You may as well be Trump, you’ve got the LYING AND CAPITALS down to a tee.

And you love to shift positions when it suits you.

 

[Bigga]

As I’ve said 100 times before, I’d prefer to have no ailments, but I’d still rather have a cold than cancer. Only a fucking idiot would object to a cold and dig their heels in for cancer as they were annoyed that they can’t be ailment free.

Such a DUMB analogy, but if it makes you feel better...

 

[Bigga]

It's like he's really angry that we just rather Biden (who most agree is not that great) over Trump.

I'm annoyed that you guys fall for it every for 4 years, both here and in the States.

 

[SWP's back]

And you love to shift positions when it suits you.

You’re delusional, genuinely delusional. Get well soon.

 

[SWP's back]

It's like he's really angry that we just rather Biden (who most agree is not that great) over Trump.

He’s like a toddler pissing and crying that he doesn’t get to have 100% his first choice.

But it doesn’t matter, the adults in the thread understand it’s a suboptimal pick but it’s infinitely better than the alternative. There must be over a dozen posters that have taken the time to explain and yet he still posts just in this thread decrying Biden rather than the racist authoritarian facist that’s trying to steal another election. It’s beyond madness and that’s why most usually just ignore him.

 

[Bigga]

He’s like a toddler pissing and crying that he doesn’t get to have 100% his first choice.

But it doesn’t matter, the adults in the thread understand it’s a suboptimal pick but it’s infinitely better than the alternative. There must be over a dozen posters that have taken the time to explain and yet he still posts just in this thread decrying Biden rather than the racist authoritarian facist that’s trying to steal another election. It’s beyond madness and that’s why most usually just ignore him.

And you STILL don't get it.

The path to hell is paved with good intentions.

At some point it will resonate.

 

[SebastianBlue]

And you STILL don't get it.

The path to hell is paved with good intentions.

At some point it will resonate.

Bigga, and I mean this with love, mate...

There is some definite irony in this statement, given the current path to hell is paved with any actions that make it more likely that Trump gets a second (and very like the last) ‘presidential’ term.

This isn’t a choice between two equally morally reprehensible neoliberals with the same fundamental goals. That is just not true. Though, I agree, Trump is most definitely not a conservative or what *was* a Republican before the party was completely converted to what it is today. And, in a perfect world, Biden would most definitely not be the candidate I would back — I and many others on here have said that quite a few times. That’s especially true for we non-Americans that see Biden as right of centre compared to our progressive left politics.

At worst, this is choice between...

A) mediocre neoliberal that will reverse only some of the damage Trump has done and perhaps make few real improvements to people’s lives, maintaining an underwhelming stability until the next election when America can hopefully elect a true progressive...

B) facist genocidal psychopath who is looking to dismantle the democratic republic, re-subjugate millions of Americans (ethnic and religious minorities, women, immigrants—basically anyone that isn’t a white US-born man), eviscerate what is left of the fourth estate, enable foreign influence/control over the American governement, use the US Military as his private guard and mercenary force, and ensure there are no more *real* elections, with a view to installing himself, his family, and what is now the “Republican” party as the ruling regime over a one-party America.

There are no viable alternatives at this point, so why are we arguing as if there is another choice, with different potential outcomes, beyond A or B?