President Joe Biden

Cameron’s foreign policy in Libya was down to his religion?

Not saying that at all.
I have a soft spot for Libya because I spent a couple of years there in the eighties. Upon my arrival I was presented with the green book but once out of Tripoli life was more relaxed and the younger Libyans were a pleasure to meet.

Politics aside I prefer to discuss football but I still believe there was no reason for Cameron to bomb Libya.
 
Not saying that at all.
I have a soft spot for Libya because I spent a couple of years there in the eighties. Upon my arrival I was presented with the green book but once out of Tripoli life was more relaxed and the younger Libyans were a pleasure to meet.

Politics aside I prefer to discuss football but I still believe there was no reason for Cameron to bomb Libya.
I certainly agree with you there.

We need to get out of the habit of interfering where we aren’t needed.
 
I guess we need (or not) a tyrannicide thread...

Vattel (an influence in drawing up the American Constitution): "As soon as a prince attacks the constitution of the state, he breaks the contract which bound the people to him". (NB Trump...)

As to regime change: "if tyranny, becoming insupportable, obliges the nation to rise in its own defence, every foreign power has the right to succour an oppressed people who implore their assistance”; “Whenever, therefore, matters are carried so far as to produce a civil war, foreign powers may assist that party which seems to them to have justice on its side”; “But we ought not to abuse this maxim, and make a handle of it to authorize odious machinations against the internal tranquillity of states.”

He even managed to think about using Saddam's supposed possession of WMD: "it is asked, whether the aggrandisement of a neighbouring power, by whom a nation fears she may one day be crushed, be a sufficient reason for making war against him, - whether she be justifiable in taking up arms to oppose his aggrandisement, or to weaken him, with the sole view of securing herself from those dangers which the weaker states have almost always reason to apprehend from an overgrown power. To the majority of politicians it is no problem: it is more difficult of solution to those who wish to see justice and prudence ever inseparably united".

(All quotes from Emer de Vattel, "The Law of Nations: Or, Principles of the Law of Nature, Applied to the Conduct and Affairs of Nations and Sovereigns; 1758)
 
A Downing Street spokesperson said: "The prime minister spoke to Joe Biden, president of the United States, this evening.

"He congratulated the president on his inauguration and the two leaders looked forward to deepening the close alliance between our nations.

"The prime minister warmly welcomed the president's decision to re-join the Paris Agreement on climate change, as well as the World Health Organization and the COVAX programme to ensure equitable access for vaccines.

"They noted the significant challenges facing the world during the pandemic, but also the unparalleled opportunities to build back better and greener together. The Prime Minister praised President Biden's early action on tackling climate change and commitment to reach Net Zero by 2050.

"Building on the UK and US' long history of cooperation in security and defence, the leaders re-committed to the NATO alliance and our shared values in promoting human rights and protecting democracy.

"They also discussed the benefits of a potential free trade deal between our two countries, and the Prime Minister reiterated his intention to resolve existing trade issues as soon as possible.

"The leaders looked forward to meeting in person as soon as the circumstances allow, and to working together through the G7, G20 and COP26 this year
 

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