President Trump

ROCKET80 said:
From what I understand of Prevent and its work, their presence in certain communities isn’t evidence of widespread support for domestic terrorism or high uptake of extremist ideology. It reflects where there may be vulnerabilities or risk factors, not cultural causation. They also work in white, non-migrant communities due to the rise in extremism, which shows these issues are not tied to any one background.

You’ve said “this approach has been widely discredited” but it’s not clear what approach you’re referring to.

I was on topic, you shifted the discussion away from what it was originally about (the meaning of multiculturalism, how national identity evolves, and how figures like Trump exploit cultural anxiety and nostalgia for political gain) to focus on Bradford and, I assume, institutional failings around grooming scandals.

Asking for a serious discussion and ending with a snide remark is rather ironic, isn’t it? It appears from your comments and tone that perhaps you’re the one burying your head in the sand and denying the reality that these issues are far more complex than simply pointing the finger at one community or culture.

Anyway, back to the topic, Trump is a man so unfit for high office, the country had to lower its standards to meet him.
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As one who is part of a multi ethnic family, I find your ignorance and arrogance offensive. Put down the “How to be a liberal”playbook, Stop lecturing and address the issue.
 
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Didsbury Dave said:
These clips chill me to the bone.

The way they all stand around simpering and quivering and arselicking, like jesters in a medieval court around their king. The way he is going after his opponents.

This man will start world war 3.
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they literally are at line 1

"first they came for..................."
 
The perfect fumble said:
The only way this paragraph makes sense is if the issues we have today existed when we did have a monoculture.

When you state....

"These types of issues arise when inequality, poor policy, weak institutions, and lack of meaningful engagement allow toxic ideas to take hold in any community, not just minority ones."

That is simply not true, the worst racism I've come across is in leafy suburbia. I grew up in a terrace slum in predominantly white Salford in the 60s', it was grindingly poor, toilet out the back, no bathroom, but apart from petty theft there was no random violence or vandalism to speak of. Misogyny and wife beating existed that's for sure, but extremist groups? Toxic politics? there were none, zero, ziltch.

And you wouldn't have found the things you described in the poor communities of the Welsh valleys either.

The left view is that the "problems" started only when immigrant groups found themselves in these deprived areas scrabbling for the same scarce resources and as these groups were the "other" the majority white population vented their resentment on them, but that's not how it was, and that's not how it is. If you're white working class and you haven't got a pot to piss in, only a tiny fraction of your fellow whites are going to blame the black family down the road who've just moved into the same kind of shit hole you live in.

Your post is the same cosy progressive nonsense that all nice liberal folk roll out every time, and while I consider myself a nice liberal bloke, I've realised over time that it's simply bollocks.

There are some problems that exist solely because people come from different cultural backgrounds and it has nothing to do with inequality, it has to do with multiculturalism itself, diversity is not our strength, admitting that is the case is not racism, but it is the first step in finding ways to build a more cohesive national identity that we can all buy into in order to maintain a happier more harmonious society

The left has a habit of wanting something to be true and then constructing a bogus rationale to back it up, which is what you've just done. All that does is leave a gaping hole that the right fills with hate.
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He won’t listen but I applaud your effort. You clearly understand the tsunami of bollocks fake liberals produce.
 
BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
Cheers.

2026 and the midterms are - in political terms - so far away as to render current events likely irrelevant. And yet there's hope that MAGA will lose big in 2026 and that Democrats will own both House and Senate.
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... even if it happens, we can't be sure of what they'll all have left to fight over, with a clearly, finally embarrassed Trump (experiencing the feeling for the first time in his life, perhaps?) , desperate for anything he can claim as a win, continuing to seek his pyrrhic victory against China.
 
inbetween said:
So everything in terms of public spending is fine?

IE, a project like HS2 should cost £60-80bn for 230km of railway track and that's perfectly normal? Or what about £20bn for Crossrail? 72 miles of railway, much of it underground, all of it delivered several years late.

To put this into context, France/Italy are building an entire new line of 200km for €20bn, some of it underground through the Alps. We meanwhile have paid £100m for a 10m wide, 900m long concrete bat cave.

We're being conned but yeah I suppose it's best not to ask questions.
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The yanks are very involved in the building of our projects.
It's a scandal and hardly anyone is speaking out about it.
 
noseve said:
... even if it happens, we can't be sure of what they'll all have left to fight over, with a clearly, finally embarrassed Trump (experiencing the feeling for the first time in his life, perhaps?) , desperate for anything he can claim as a win, continuing to seek his pyrrhic victory against China.
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At this stage you've got to assume he'll go to his grave never having experienced some of those basic human emotions or they'll be so suppressed as to be non existent.
 
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Didsbury Dave said:
These clips chill me to the bone.

The way they all stand around simpering and quivering and arselicking, like jesters in a medieval court around their king. The way he is going after his opponents.

This man will start world war 3.
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I think that he wants to 'have a go' at China.
I sincerely hope that I am wrong.
 
noseve said:
... even if it happens, we can't be sure of what they'll all have left to fight over, with a clearly, finally embarrassed Trump (experiencing the feeling for the first time in his life, perhaps?) , desperate for anything he can claim as a win, continuing to seek his pyrrhic victory against China.
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The stupid **** picked a fight with a nation with more resolve, long term planning, threshold for pain and greater ability to absorb the effects of a trade war. Bloated by his re-election and thinking he was untouchable, he is going to lose this battle.
 
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