Private Education Still the Tops

[mrcunny]

The Education Secretary raised concerns that parentage is still dictating a youngster's progress, with poor children likely to stay poor while the rich remain rich.

This segregation is "morally indefensible" and fails to make the most of the abilities of the nation's children, he said.

In a speech to private school heads at Brighton College today, Mr Gove said: "It is remarkable how many positions of wealth, influence, celebrity and power in our society are held by individuals who were privately educated."

The majority of Cabinet ministers and many of the shadow cabinet attended fee-paying schools, he said.

 

[Rascal]

Mr Gove also made this speech from an Indepemdent school

How fucking insulting is that.



Ed milliband went to a Comprehensive school and then Cambridge. so is that any different?


I said on here a while back i would abolish all fee paying schools and make everyone attend a proper school. Only then will the best rise to the top.

Our world should be about talent not who is richest

 

[TCIB]

Mr Gove also made this speech from an Indepemdent school

How fucking insulting is that.



Ed milliband went to a Comprehensive school and then Cambridge. so is that any different?


I said on here a while back i would abolish all fee paying schools and make everyone attend a proper school. Only then will the best rise to the top.

Our world should be about talent not who is richest

Personally Rascal i the entire infrastructure of society is fucked as it is.
We will never break down all the crap that inhibits us as a race as things stand.

We are just playing at change, destroy all financial markets, hack utilities, bring it all down.
It will be the only way we get true change besides a full blown nuclear war.

 

[Aphex]

It's really not about paying for education surely

The answer is in the question.

 

[Fame Monster]

This is the problem for modern-day socialism.

To nationalise or expropriate something in an increasingly globalised world is political suicide when the only chance for demilitarisation comes from multilateralism which works because countries are economically interdependent. Or put another way, socialism will come only after the market has broken down borders.

So the best chance for equal opportunity is for the state schools to perform as well as the private schools, and then both have the same chance of progressing in an unjust system. But the problem with that is the education minister is one of the most despicable human beings to enter politics.

Instead of educating children on Law, ethics and politics, he wants them to read utterly incomprehensible, inaccessible 500 year old books that mean nothing to no-one and remember the dates of British kings and queens. Another out-of-touch Tory **** who wants Britain to be romantically Victorian without realising the harm he does to the next generation of children. Instead of fighting for the funds to increase social mobility, he'd rather one of the richest women in the world get a shiny new boat.

You can tell a lot of the Tories at least feel a bit of guilt about their headstart, but this guy is doing all he can to increase it.

 

[Andy Dale]

If you was a teacher...Would you want to teach kids that are expected to learn and want to learn ?
If you were a teacher....Would you want to teach kids that have scroungers as parents that dont give a fuck ?
Its down to the standard of teacher and school not the standard of pupil. A pupil in a state comp will rarely rise to the top because of surrounding influences.

 

[BlueMoon_1987]

If you was a teacher...Would you want to teach kids that are expected to learn and want to learn ?
If you were a teacher....Would you want to teach kids that have scroungers as parents that dont give a fuck ?
Its down to the standard of teacher and school not the standard of pupil. A pupil in a state comp will rarely rise to the top because of surrounding influences.

I'm a teacher and I work in a comp where over 60% of pupils are on free school meals. They're lazy, unmotivated and have little ambition, especially with the tuition fee increase.

And I would ALWAYS choose to work there over some fee paying school, on principle alone. The best education should be a right, not accessible by money like some sort of commodity. It makes my skin crawl.

 

[Skashion]

The education system would need such a massive and fundamental overhaul to bring about any semblance of social mobility.

 

[squirtyflower]

The education system would need such a massive and fundamental overhaul to bring about any semblance of social mobility.

It's actually getting worse

Yesterday for the fist time ever I thought of jacking it all in
The government are introducing a new funding formula
One key element is that if you have a statemented child, that usually comes with extra funding, the first £10000 of that funding has to come from the host school for each statement

Now most statemented kids go to the more deprived schools and the schools in the leafy suburbs get far fewer
So from next year already hard pushed schools in the most deprived areas will have to find extra funds to support their statemented kids whilst the 'well off' schools without statemented kids will have even more resources

Talk about stabbing the already down trodden in the back to support the better off

 

[Skashion]

It's actually getting worse

Yesterday for the fist time ever I thought of jacking it all in
The government are introducing a new funding formula
One key element is that if you have a statemented child, that usually comes with extra funding, the first £10000 of that funding has to come from the host school for each statement

Now most statemented kids go to the more deprived schools and the schools in the leafy suburbs get far fewer
So from next year already hard pushed schools in the most deprived areas will have to find extra funds to support their statemented kids whilst the 'well off' schools without statemented kids will have even more resources

Talk about stabbing the already down trodden in the back to support the better off

Don't worry about it, no-one will need a statement at this rate...

 

[squirtyflower]

It's actually getting worse

Yesterday for the fist time ever I thought of jacking it all in
The government are introducing a new funding formula
One key element is that if you have a statemented child, that usually comes with extra funding, the first £10000 of that funding has to come from the host school for each statement

Now most statemented kids go to the more deprived schools and the schools in the leafy suburbs get far fewer
So from next year already hard pushed schools in the most deprived areas will have to find extra funds to support their statemented kids whilst the 'well off' schools without statemented kids will have even more resources

Talk about stabbing the already down trodden in the back to support the better off

Don't worry about it, no-one will need a statement at this rate...

Well that is their long term plan, although Labour started the trend a few years back

The kids won't have the statements but they'll still have the problems

 

[Skashion]

Well that is their long term plan, although Labour started the trend a few years back

The kids won't have the statements but they'll still have the problems

Yup. Every child DOESN'T matter.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Bring back grammar schools. The best engine for social mobility ever devised (apart from the lottery).

 

[Skashion]

The best engine for social mobility ever devised

Apart from all the other countries who didn't do it this way and had better results...

 

[squirtyflower]

Bring back grammar schools. The best engine for social mobility ever devised (apart from the lottery).

What they should do is shut down all independent schools and then maybe the government would actually put some money in

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Bring back grammar schools. The best engine for social mobility ever devised (apart from the lottery).

What they should do is shut down all independent schools and then maybe the government would actually put some money in

This is not the worst idea, although I suspect there would be a number of unintended consequences: a rise in private tution among the rich and a number of people moving abroad. Also given the right to teach your children at home - how would you police it in any event? Kids with rich parents could 'hire' their own teachers. I do think the tax breaks that private schools enjoy should be looked at under a reform of the Charities Act.

I suspect, in any event, that abolishing private education would breach EU and ECHR laws as spending your own money as you see fit is a pretty fundamental right.

 

[117 M34]

If you was a teacher...Would you want to teach kids that are expected to learn and want to learn ?
If you were a teacher....Would you want to teach kids that have scroungers as parents that dont give a fuck ?
Its down to the standard of teacher and school not the standard of pupil. A pupil in a state comp will rarely rise to the top because of surrounding influences.

I'm a teacher and I work in a comp where over 60% of pupils are on free school meals. They're lazy, unmotivated and have little ambition, especially with the tuition fee increase.

And I would ALWAYS choose to work there over some fee paying school, on principle alone. The best education should be a right, not accessible by money like some sort of commodity. It makes my skin crawl.

Exactly right, I would never work in a private school. My school is similar to yours in terms of FSM and wouldn't want to work somewhere where the parents are forces to pay to get a 'better' standard of education.
Anyway, I used to work with someone who went to work in a private school - he was the worst teacher in my school so fee paying school does not mean better teachers.

 

[squirtyflower]

Bring back grammar schools. The best engine for social mobility ever devised (apart from the lottery).

What they should do is shut down all independent schools and then maybe the government would actually put some money in

This is not the worst idea, although I suspect there would be a number of unintended consequences: a rise in private tution among the rich and a number of people moving abroad. Also given the right to teach your children at home - how would you police it in any event? Kids with rich parents could 'hire' their own teachers. I do think the tax breaks that private schools enjoy should be looked at under a reform of the Charities Act.

I suspect, in any event, that abolishing private education would breach EU and ECHR laws as spending your own money as you see fit is a pretty fundamental right.

Or they could support their local school and put the money in there

I have nothing against private education per se as it isn't value for money
What I'm against is that thick cunts who get a private education have a leg up because of the name of their school rather than the quality of the individual

 

[BrianW]

The real problem in this country is snobbery and the class system. We still haven't got rid of it and that's what makes us different to most other advanced nations.

People in this country will pay for education if they can, because they know that going to Eton (or even somewhere like Bolton School) gives you a head start in this country, even if you are relatively thick.

Middle-class parents who can't afford to pay clamour for places in the best (most middle-class) state schools.

How you change this I don't know. Grammar schools had their advantages but if you create one you also effectively create five secondary moderns. No one had a good word for secondary moderns.

The other problem is that the 'lower orders' don't value education at all and see it as a waste of time. This is not the case in places like Africa. It's no wonder we're falling behind as a country!

 

[carlosthejackal]

The abolition of the grammar school was a disaster, you got in on ability, not on wealth. I went to one in Manchester which had a huge diversity of students from all ethnic backgrounds and financial backgrounds. There was no social standing that got you any favours within the school, it was all down to your ability and your parents drive to get you to make the most of what you had. The other main point was the respect youand your parents had for discipline and the right of the teachers . Today is all about defiance of the teacher,authority and the respect that teachers deserve.