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citytill1die84
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MCFC4EVR said:PSG might outspend but will never outperform City
PSG may be the summer's big spenders but the French league isn't strong enough to make them European giants
By Andy Mitten 9 hours ago
As Paris Saint-Germain look to buy success in the transfer window, Andy Mitten explains why they'll never be better than Manchester City.
Zlatan Ibrahimovic celebrates for Sweden - PANo team spent more money on players last summer than Paris St Germain. Thanks to the new ownership by the Qatari Investment Authority, PSG’s spending has been able to top even Manchester City’s. Coached by Carlo Ancellotti for most of last season,
PSG boasted a glittering front three comprising of Europe’s most expensive signing last term, Argentinian midfielder Javier Pastore, the excellent Brazilian Nene, plus French international Jeremy Menez.
They were hot title favourites, yet they didn’t win the league. Montpellier triumphed - a team who spent almost nothing and whose playing budget of €36 million-a-year is below average in Ligue 1. And so, the French top flight remained Europe’s most fascinatingly unpredictable division.
Rivals questioned PSG’s big time status. But when PSG were linked to Carlos Tevez in January but instead signed 30-year-old full-back Maxwell from Barcelona, Montpellier’s outspoken president cheekily asked: “Maxwell, isn’t that a coffee?”
A city as big and exalted as Paris should have a team to compete with the best in the world.
PSG will blow away any such doubts this summer. They have already splashed out €42 million on Brazilian defender Thiago Silva and are favourites to sign former Milan teammate Zlatan Ibrahimovic in what would be another big money move.
The Parisians, who are in the Champions League after finishing second, will have a superb squad, but I’m not sure the investment will actually pay off.
Like City and Malaga in Spain, PSG were far cheaper to buy than a Manchester United or an Arsenal, yet the purchase was strange.
A city as big and exalted as Paris should have a team to compete with the best in the world. The location helps attract players, yet Ligue 1 is not the Premier League or the Primera Liga. No French club can ever complete with English elite
Their options for growth are limited and PSG already fill their ageing Parc des Princes home with a capacity of 47,00. Unless, that is, they move to the 80,000 capacity national stadium Stade de France which would be rightly unpopular.
Ligue 1 is not a league which acts as launch pad for success like other stronger leagues.
It may be competitive, but Ligue 1 is the fifth biggest league by revenue in Europe and the international appeal lags well behind England, Spain, Germany and Italy. And while TV revenues have boomed in England, the latest domestic Ligue 1 deal saw a decrease with four of the five packages not reaching the anticipated prices.
Average French crowds dropped last season to 18,869 - down 3,000 on the figures five years ago - while the transfer market remains depressed and, apart from the activity at PSG, the best players continue to leave.
On the field, only one French team has ever won the European Cup (Marseille in 1993). It’s not a league which acts as launch pad for success like other stronger leagues.
PSG are bucking the trend of the best players going to England or Spain, but it's not sustainable, it's just an artificial folly.
Manchester City’s rise has cost hundreds of millions, yet they have a plan. As well as investing heavily into the depressed community of East Manchester to justify their flashing of Sheik Mansour’s billions, they are in a league of burgeoning revenues.
They’ll ride off the back of that, expand the stadium and then they hope to comply by the time UEFA’s financial fair play rules kick in fully in 2018.
PSG? At the moment it seems like a showcase for the Qatari Investment Authority who don’t care how much they spend as they go in search of a substantial trophy haul they’ve so far failed to achieve. Financial Fair Play? They might be the biggest test to see if it’s just all talk.
Andy Mitten is a football writer living Barcelona and Manchester, you can follow him on Twitter @AndyMitten
What a load of bollocks they've signed some great players and just like us when they Gel together they'll be awesome. Next year they'll (like us) only need a couple of additions and won't have to spend big. Paris is a massive place and it's much better to live in the Manchester. They've got every chance of being as good if not better than us.
Bill
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LoveCity said:They are ruining football, it's an outrage!
:P
Good on them, Paris is long overdue a European giant.
Long overdue? Wer'nt they formed in 1973?
de niro said:LoveCity said:They are ruining football, it's an outrage!
:P
Good on them, Paris is long overdue a European giant.
Long overdue? Wer'nt they formed in 1973?
Pretty sure Paris is actually more than 1,000 years old...
If Paris did get its first team in 1973 surely that just makes LoveCity's point even more valid?
BoyBlue_1985
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citytill1die84 said:MCFC4EVR said:PSG might outspend but will never outperform City
PSG may be the summer's big spenders but the French league isn't strong enough to make them European giants
By Andy Mitten 9 hours ago
As Paris Saint-Germain look to buy success in the transfer window, Andy Mitten explains why they'll never be better than Manchester City.
Zlatan Ibrahimovic celebrates for Sweden - PANo team spent more money on players last summer than Paris St Germain. Thanks to the new ownership by the Qatari Investment Authority, PSG’s spending has been able to top even Manchester City’s. Coached by Carlo Ancellotti for most of last season,
PSG boasted a glittering front three comprising of Europe’s most expensive signing last term, Argentinian midfielder Javier Pastore, the excellent Brazilian Nene, plus French international Jeremy Menez.
They were hot title favourites, yet they didn’t win the league. Montpellier triumphed - a team who spent almost nothing and whose playing budget of €36 million-a-year is below average in Ligue 1. And so, the French top flight remained Europe’s most fascinatingly unpredictable division.
Rivals questioned PSG’s big time status. But when PSG were linked to Carlos Tevez in January but instead signed 30-year-old full-back Maxwell from Barcelona, Montpellier’s outspoken president cheekily asked: “Maxwell, isn’t that a coffee?”
A city as big and exalted as Paris should have a team to compete with the best in the world.
PSG will blow away any such doubts this summer. They have already splashed out €42 million on Brazilian defender Thiago Silva and are favourites to sign former Milan teammate Zlatan Ibrahimovic in what would be another big money move.
The Parisians, who are in the Champions League after finishing second, will have a superb squad, but I’m not sure the investment will actually pay off.
Like City and Malaga in Spain, PSG were far cheaper to buy than a Manchester United or an Arsenal, yet the purchase was strange.
A city as big and exalted as Paris should have a team to compete with the best in the world. The location helps attract players, yet Ligue 1 is not the Premier League or the Primera Liga. No French club can ever complete with English elite
Their options for growth are limited and PSG already fill their ageing Parc des Princes home with a capacity of 47,00. Unless, that is, they move to the 80,000 capacity national stadium Stade de France which would be rightly unpopular.
Ligue 1 is not a league which acts as launch pad for success like other stronger leagues.
It may be competitive, but Ligue 1 is the fifth biggest league by revenue in Europe and the international appeal lags well behind England, Spain, Germany and Italy. And while TV revenues have boomed in England, the latest domestic Ligue 1 deal saw a decrease with four of the five packages not reaching the anticipated prices.
Average French crowds dropped last season to 18,869 - down 3,000 on the figures five years ago - while the transfer market remains depressed and, apart from the activity at PSG, the best players continue to leave.
On the field, only one French team has ever won the European Cup (Marseille in 1993). It’s not a league which acts as launch pad for success like other stronger leagues.
PSG are bucking the trend of the best players going to England or Spain, but it's not sustainable, it's just an artificial folly.
Manchester City’s rise has cost hundreds of millions, yet they have a plan. As well as investing heavily into the depressed community of East Manchester to justify their flashing of Sheik Mansour’s billions, they are in a league of burgeoning revenues.
They’ll ride off the back of that, expand the stadium and then they hope to comply by the time UEFA’s financial fair play rules kick in fully in 2018.
PSG? At the moment it seems like a showcase for the Qatari Investment Authority who don’t care how much they spend as they go in search of a substantial trophy haul they’ve so far failed to achieve. Financial Fair Play? They might be the biggest test to see if it’s just all talk.
Andy Mitten is a football writer living Barcelona and Manchester, you can follow him on Twitter @AndyMitten
What a load of bollocks they've signed some great players and just like us when they Gel together they'll be awesome. Next year they'll (like us) only need a couple of additions and won't have to spend big. Paris is a massive place and it's much better to live in the Manchester. They've got every chance of being as good if not better than us.
Yes but the point is unlike with us the revenue can never back the outlay. The players will want to move on eventually. Think Rangers in the 90's but without the dodgy tax scheme
BoyBlue_1985 said:Yes but the point is unlike with us the revenue can never back the outlay. The players will want to move on eventually. Think Rangers in the 90's but without the dodgy tax scheme
The revenue from domestic TV never will, true. However, if they make an impression in the CL, in my opinion there are vast commercial possibilities for an entity that is the only major football football club in one of the world's iconic cities with a metro area population in the region of 15 million based in a country that's the world's 5th biggest economy. A lot of people underestimate PSG. I agree with EalingBlue2's contributions further up this thread: they have the potential to be a very big force indeed in European football in the years to come.
Let's put it this way. The Qataris looked at PL clubs, including, reportedly, the biggest of the lot before settling on PSG. This is something that they may just have had a think about before now. In terms of who's right between them and Andy Mitten, I know who I'll back! :)
BoyBlue_1985
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petrusha said:BoyBlue_1985 said:Yes but the point is unlike with us the revenue can never back the outlay. The players will want to move on eventually. Think Rangers in the 90's but without the dodgy tax scheme
The revenue from domestic TV never will, true. However, if they make an impression in the CL, in my opinion there are vast commercial possibilities for an entity that is the only major football football club in one of the world's iconic cities with a metro area population in the region of 15 million based in a country that's the world's 5th biggest economy. A lot of people underestimate PSG. I agree with EalingBlue2's contributions further up this thread: they have the potential to be a very big force indeed in European football in the years to come.
Let's put it this way. The Qataris looked at PL clubs, including, reportedly, the biggest of the lot before settling on PSG. This is something that they may just have had a think about before now. In terms of who's right between them and Andy Mitten, I know who I'll back! :)
We will see but while we just start to get our act together they are still spending hugely on a relatively small income. If FFP is played by the cards they could be excluded from the money making CL. Also based on the fact that Parisians like rugby more than football. In fairness if I had to back a side on the Qatari investment fund vs Andy Mitten i would go with the big boys but that doesn't mean it will work. Time will tell and i dont mind slogging it out with them and Malaga as the new boys rise up
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The only way they will get through FFPR is by using the "demonstrating improved revenues and having a plan to get to sustainability" clause. Their figures for the next couple of years are going to be dire so if they are allowed in then we will walk it. Agreed there is a lot of potential for huge commercial revenue so I think, over time, they will do it but it won't be easy for them and the Ligue 1 TV revenues won't help. I can see them using some dodgy financial dealing (they are french after all - lol) which will open the door for other clubs.BoyBlue_1985 said:petrusha said:BoyBlue_1985 said:Yes but the point is unlike with us the revenue can never back the outlay. The players will want to move on eventually. Think Rangers in the 90's but without the dodgy tax scheme
The revenue from domestic TV never will, true. However, if they make an impression in the CL, in my opinion there are vast commercial possibilities for an entity that is the only major football football club in one of the world's iconic cities with a metro area population in the region of 15 million based in a country that's the world's 5th biggest economy. A lot of people underestimate PSG. I agree with EalingBlue2's contributions further up this thread: they have the potential to be a very big force indeed in European football in the years to come.
Let's put it this way. The Qataris looked at PL clubs, including, reportedly, the biggest of the lot before settling on PSG. This is something that they may just have had a think about before now. In terms of who's right between them and Andy Mitten, I know who I'll back! :)
We will see but while we just start to get our act together they are still spending hugely on a relatively small income. If FFP is played by the cards they could be excluded from the money making CL. Also based on the fact that Parisians like rugby more than football. In fairness if I had to back a side on the Qatari investment fund vs Andy Mitten i would go with the big boys but that doesn't mean it will work. Time will tell and i dont mind slogging it out with them and Malaga as the new boys rise up
I did dislike some of the little englander comments about how it's never been done before so they won't be able to do it. Pay footballers enough money and they'll play in any shit-pit (look at Anzhi) and Paris is a big pull even if the league isn't as prestigious as the current big 4.
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Best of luck to PSG imo.
Potentially a European giant and yet another bloody nose for the protected old guard.
Potentially a European giant and yet another bloody nose for the protected old guard.
BoyBlue_1985 said:petrusha said:BoyBlue_1985 said:Yes but the point is unlike with us the revenue can never back the outlay. The players will want to move on eventually. Think Rangers in the 90's but without the dodgy tax scheme
The revenue from domestic TV never will, true. However, if they make an impression in the CL, in my opinion there are vast commercial possibilities for an entity that is the only major football football club in one of the world's iconic cities with a metro area population in the region of 15 million based in a country that's the world's 5th biggest economy. A lot of people underestimate PSG. I agree with EalingBlue2's contributions further up this thread: they have the potential to be a very big force indeed in European football in the years to come.
Let's put it this way. The Qataris looked at PL clubs, including, reportedly, the biggest of the lot before settling on PSG. This is something that they may just have had a think about before now. In terms of who's right between them and Andy Mitten, I know who I'll back! :)
We will see but while we just start to get our act together they are still spending hugely on a relatively small income. If FFP is played by the cards they could be excluded from the money making CL. Also based on the fact that Parisians like rugby more than football. In fairness if I had to back a side on the Qatari investment fund vs Andy Mitten i would go with the big boys but that doesn't mean it will work. Time will tell and i dont mind slogging it out with them and Malaga as the new boys rise up
You're right that they certainly seem to be relying on FFP not being strictly enforced (and if they benefit from a benign interpretation, then presumably so will we, so it could be to our advantage). And I take the point that just because ostensibly qualified people are working to a plan, it's not a given that it will all pan out! :)
(Incidentally, I agree that Paris is much less of a football city than, say, London, which is fairly comparable in population and world profile. However, PSG have the entire market to themselves, whereas London has three of England's current six biggest clubs, and several on the next level down.)
I do think that, of the other clubs that attracted big-money takeovers ahead of FFP, PSG are the only ones other than us who have a chance of making it.
Under the inequitable La Liga system, Malaga have earned less TV money in the last two seasons than Burnley and as a result, I believe that their income only covers a third of their running costs; I can't see how they can even begin to hope to close that gap through commercial income and gate money. There are even reports that it's starting to unravel for them already, though I'm not following it closely and don't know hown true that would be.
Anzhi, meanwhile, simply don't have a prayer, IMO. UEFA won't even let them play Europa League games at home. They'll be playing about 25 miles outside Moscow and almost 1,000 miles from their home city - presumably in front of hardly any spectators.